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It is that time of the year to start thinking about ORU's schedule for the upcoming season.  Any thoughts or ideas about opponents, especially in the non-conference season?

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I don't think Coach Mills is a fan, but I would love to see ORU in some type of a MTE around Thanksgiving or Christmas, maybe even with some TV exposure....

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1 hour ago, ORUIllini said:

I don't think Coach Mills is a fan, but I would love to see ORU in some type of a MTE around Thanksgiving or Christmas, maybe even with some TV exposure....

I second that. I think last year's Sweet Sixteen run has enough legs to attract some good teams/media.

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Selfishly speaking, my ideas for road games next season:

@UAB, @Alabama, @Auburn, @Belmont & @Vandy.  😉

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Would agree with you ORob 1, we need some new teams on the schedule this year.  It seems like Coach Mills only wants to play about the same teams over and over again (Wichita State, Missouri State, and OSU).  Yes, some of those teams we have a contract with but hoping for some fresh faces this year on the non-conference schedule.

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Yeah.... let's go coach....ORU needs to play some fresh blood maybe back East....lots of decent Mid Majors in the Philadelphia Metro Area.......Penn, LaSalle, Temple, Drexel, St. Josephs, Rider, Delaware and Princeton all within an hour of TheEagleman.....or how about St. Peter's??.....come on, Paul!?!?!?:hc_mills:

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2 hours ago, ORob1 said:

Selfishly speaking, my ideas for road games next season:

@UAB, @Alabama, @Auburn, @Belmont & @Vandy.  😉

Rob

I second these!😂

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I have some good news and bad news for all of you Golden Eagle faithful like myself that longs to see ORU play a much more exciting non conference schedule. The good news is that our basketball program is on the rise. The bad news is after talking with Tim Johnson this week no one wants to play us. 50 calls have been made and so far no takers. Duke was considering playing us and decided we were too good. For a mid major like ORU playing a big school on the road pays a lot of bills. We can schedule home and away but the good teams all want to be at their place first which doesn’t help us for next year. So if any of you have connections with big schools and can get them to schedule us that would be great. Tim and I both agreed that even as good as we are getting our odds would not be great at beating a big time program on the road so not sure what these schools are thinking? Plus if I were coaching a Duke for instance playing a school like us would give their players experience against our style of play that they may see in post season. Growing pains for a program on the rise! Expect a Miracle!

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Try this instead of basically making a tour of the State of Alabama, schedule a road trip starting at Penn State, then motor an hour over to Pittsburgh to play Pitt then head south about 50 miles and play WVU, then head into Ohio for games at The Ohio State University and finally Greater Cincinnati for either UC, Xavier, Kentucky or Indiana.  Play some great money games and get a lot of exposure in a vastly more populated area (i.e.:  within a 250 mile radius of Pittsburgh resides 2/3rd's of the entire population of the United States).  I also agree with the Eagleman that we need to make a swing into the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic region annually to give all of us in that area who faithfully support ORU the opportunity to see the Golden Eagles live. 

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23 hours ago, eagle88 said:

I have some good news and bad news for all of you Golden Eagle faithful like myself that longs to see ORU play a much more exciting non conference schedule. The good news is that our basketball program is on the rise. The bad news is after talking with Tim Johnson this week no one wants to play us. 50 calls have been made and so far no takers. Duke was considering playing us and decided we were too good. For a mid major like ORU playing a big school on the road pays a lot of bills. We can schedule home and away but the good teams all want to be at their place first which doesn’t help us for next year. So if any of you have connections with big schools and can get them to schedule us that would be great. Tim and I both agreed that even as good as we are getting our odds would not be great at beating a big time program on the road so not sure what these schools are thinking? Plus if I were coaching a Duke for instance playing a school like us would give their players experience against our style of play that they may see in post season. Growing pains for a program on the rise! Expect a Miracle!

Sorry, but that “nobody will play us” excuse is an old one.

Nothing that ORU hasn’t had to deal with in MANY prior years, with MUCH better squads than the past two seasons. 

Sounds like whoever is making those “phone calls” needs to re-evaluate his script. 

Better yet, just send ‘em tape of ORU “defending” the post in the final ten games of last season.

Those P5 teams will be linin’ up to visit the Mabee Center! 🤣

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OT your last post should generate a good discussion amongst all of us that desire our schedule to encompass high profile schools. Just to be clear I heard what I said in my last post from the AD firsthand. We make between $80-$150k when we play schools like TCU and Arkansas. Last year we made $150k playing at TCU. Tim told me they tried to cancel the game but we had already signed the contract and wouldn’t let them out of it. He told me that we need to schedule 4 or so games on the road against high profile schools to generate $500k which helps fund the athletic department. Right now if we can’t schedule such teams then that $500k has to be raised by other means. So taking what I heard at face value why wouldn’t the guy reading the script not want to schedule $ making games? We could schedule P5 schools at the Mabee Center but that would cost us a lot of $ that we don’t have. When we play a team like Missouri State at home and away it is not a $ maker I have been told. I know in years past we have always played big schools on the road and occasionally at home so to be completely honest I don’t have a good answer. I am truly searching to find an answer and solution. Are times changing? I truly would be surprised if the powers to be are not trying hard to schedule big schools. That would be like cutting your own throat! Any suggestions that any of you give I am more than willing to take to Tim. We are all in this together and want what is best for our Golden Eagles!

 

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I may be mistaken but it seems like Mills wants to stay within our geographic region as opposed to playing anyone anywhere which was the MO under Sutton. It honestly is a way better strategy in terms of rest and overall team health.

But I very much doubt Arkansas or EVERY single BIG12 school would say no. Might have to hit up some PAC12, SEC, or B1G schools.

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Thank you Dr C. I will ask him that specific question.

 

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On 5/5/2022 at 10:56 PM, ORU82 said:

Try this instead of basically making a tour of the State of Alabama, schedule a road trip starting at Penn State, then motor an hour over to Pittsburgh to play Pitt then head south about 50 miles and play WVU, then head into Ohio for games at The Ohio State University and finally Greater Cincinnati for either UC, Xavier, Kentucky or Indiana.  Play some great money games and get a lot of exposure in a vastly more populated area (i.e.:  within a 250 mile radius of Pittsburgh resides 2/3rd's of the entire population of the United States).  I also agree with the Eagleman that we need to make a swing into the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic region annually to give all of us in that area who faithfully support ORU the opportunity to see the Golden Eagles live. 

82:

I was really kinda joking when I suggested ORU visit nearly every D1 school that surrounds God’s country (Huntsville, AL, where I live)…although it would also be nice for Kareem Thompson and his family in nearby Florence, AL as well.  Didn’t coaches/programs used to try to play at least one game near the home towns of their Seniors?  I suppose that’s a thing of the past…

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TheEagleman totally agrees with Old Titan.....why would teams NOT want to play ORU? Just send them the tape of us NOT playing a lick of defense in most games.....and they really can't be afraid of our 7-3 three point shooter can they?..... come on, man.....I am Born Again not born yesterday.....no decent Power 5 team should be afraid to schedule ORU......makes absolutely zero sense.......time to get some decent opponents on the schedule like we used to do 10-15 years ago!!! 😮

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I too agree that it makes no sense. Those are the exact words the AD used when I was in his office last week. Has there ever been a time in our lives where so many things don’t make sense? Like our current President campaigning in his basement while his opponent drew thousands of people wherever he went , having to wait over a year in many cases to get a car, having pot shops on every street corner in Oklahoma, the list  could go on. Just because something doesn’t make sense doesn’t mean it is not true. I am not excited about playing Haskell College and Southwestern University again this year! I have a year of eligibility left and may walk on to try to get some minutes in those games! Maybe we could get Mills to put some of us former Alum who played intramurals in the game when we are up by 50 points. I would seriously encourage all of you who want to see us play better competition to call or email to see what can be done. I would say for now this whole thing is a paradox..

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I think the AD may be trying to sell the Brooklyn bridge, we can schedule top teams if we want to. We will of course have to travel, but there is no way any power 5 school is afraid to play us, and the AD saying Duke wont play us because we "are too good" is laugh out loud funny/ridiculous!!!

IMHO its the AD not doing everything needed to get it done! I played 2 years at ORU and granted it was few years ago, but AD's Bob Brooks and Larry Cochell with the basketball coach's got the best teams in the country on ORU's schedule. Most were home and homes ( one year played at the Mabee and one year at their place) and some we only played at their place, but if you want to play the best you may have to do it on their terms( that's what Anyone, Anytime, Anyplace means), but it can be done.

Over just my 2 seasons our OOC games included: Home and Home- Texas, Texas A & M, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., Tulsa. Home only- LSU. Road games only- Kansas, North Carolina, UCLA, Arkansas, San Diego St., Bradley. That's almost 20 OOC games against the best teams in the country in just 2 seasons, and I'm sure everyone on this board has memories of the teams during their time on campus playing top competition!! 

That fantastic sweet 16 run is now 2 seasons ago, if we want to stay relevant in college basketball and continue to grow our program we need to play and occasionally beat the big boys, nothing helps keep the attendance up and student & local interest like beating a Texas or Okla St.!! It has to be a priority, we need the full university committed; the president, AD and coaches.  

ORU basketball has a long, proud history of playing the best- anytime, anywhere! We need to get back to that, the AD/program needs to stop making these weak/not believable excuses and get it done!!

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I completely agree ORU40, we use to play some impressive teams all across the country including WVU, Xavier and Penn State during the later Sutton years.  For fun I searched Gonzaga's OOC schedule to determine who they play and found it very interesting.  In recent years they have played Washington and UNC in Spokane.  Washington appears to have been a home/away deal.  UNC looked like a one and done so I assume Gonzaga paid a ton to have UNC show up in Spokane.  However, in recent years they have played Texas, Alabama, UCLA, Texas Tech, WVU, Baylor, Auburn, Kansas and Duke, all on the road in various November/December holiday tournaments.  They have also played Texas A&M and Arizona at their arenas'.  My point here is that it appears they take the approach of anyone, anytime, anywhere.  In short, we could and should be scheduling way above what we currently schedule.  I also agree that if you want to elevate your program on a national level you need to get off the porch and run with the big dogs.  No guts, no glory.  Just my $0.02.

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Wonder if ORU could schedule Kansas State, since their new coach (Tang) is an old friend of Coach Mills and they worked together at Baylor?  Here is an idea of who should be on the schedule for this upcoming season based on contracts from last year:

Home games (5): UCA, Missouri State, and a couple of non-Division 1 teams.

Road games (3): Tulsa, OSU, and UT Arlington.

If you add the 18 conference games, then that is already 26 matchups that are mostly set in stone.  So that really only leaves about 3 or 4 unknowns among the non-conference opponents.

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6 hours ago, ORU82 said:

 For fun I searched Gonzaga's OOC schedule to determine who they play and found it very interesting.

Oh gosh now youre comparing ORU to a perennial Top 10, Final Four and National Runner Up team in a multi-bid conference? Bad idea! Apples to Oranges. Comparing a team with an unlimited budget to a team who is apparently being asked to play basketball games in order to fund an athletic department. 
 

Playing devils advocate, what does a Power 5 team have to gain from playing ORU? If a team is going to spend $80,000 or more for a game, you can guarantee you that they want a good return on their investment. Why would they schedule a team that won 19 games last year, returns 4 majorly contributing players from a Sweet Sixteen team only two years ago, signed a 7’3”’ player from Univ of Arkansas, and has potentially the nation’s leading scorer coming back for his fourth year of college?? Not to mention lost by 1 in OT to OSU, beat Tulsa at home, lost by single digits on the road at TCU, OSU and Wichita State in the last 2 years and by 11 at Arkansas the year they made the Elite Eight.  When they can easily spend money on a team that they can beat by 35 points or more?
And please don’t say “because they want a good challenge before conference play.” Teams don’t pay money to have close games. Those are what home and home series and Thanksgiving Tournament games are for. 
 

Sometimes it surprises me when I read things from people that actually played college basketball. I know it’s hard for some of the “diehard” fans to realize, but coaches don’t schedule games to appease fans in a certain geographical region. Coaches schedule games that A) they can win, and B) don’t break the bank on travel costs. Which explains why teams would much rather schedule regionally (ie: Arkansas, OU, OSU, Wichita State, TCU) than use money out of their paycheck to fund airlines tickets, hotel and food in order to travel a farther distance. 

 

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50 minutes ago, GoldenEagleFan said:


 

Playing devils advocate, what does a Power 5 team have to gain from playing ORU? If a team is going to spend $80,000 or more for a game, you can guarantee you that they want a good return on their investment. Why would they schedule a team that won 19 games last year, returns 4 majorly contributing players from a Sweet Sixteen team only two years ago, signed a 7’3”’ player from Univ of Arkansas, and has potentially the nation’s leading scorer coming back for his fourth year of college?? Not to mention lost by 1 in OT to OSU, beat Tulsa at home, lost by single digits on the road at TCU, OSU and Wichita State in the last 2 years and by 11 at Arkansas the year they made the Elite Eight.  When they can easily spend money on a team that they can beat by 35 points or more?
And please don’t say “because they want a good challenge before conference play.” Teams don’t pay money to have close games. Those are what home and home series and Thanksgiving Tournament games are for. 
 

 

Golden Eagle Fan is all over it. Did you talk with Tim Johnson too?! What you said is exactly what he told me. Either Tim is lying or he is being factual. I personally take him at his word. In this current time period teams don’t want to pay big bucks to potentially lose. As ORU fans we are getting to watch better teams than in the past number of years. Even with questionable defense we still have played with and beat some P5 schools. These are growing pains we will have to go through. Unfortunately we have a limited budget and are at the mercy of big schools being willing to pay us. I was told other mid majors like Loyola Chicago are experiencing the same issue.

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39 minutes ago, GoldenEagleFan said:

Playing devils advocate, what does a Power 5 team have to gain from playing ORU?

This is ORU's true road record going back to the 16-17 season. The only wins during that time period are against: Houston Baptist, Chicago St., Richmond, Little Rock, & FGCU. So no I don't think that any P5 school is afraid to play ORU.

21-22: - (1-4)

  • Colorado St. - L
  • Central Arkansas - L
  • TCU - L
  • Houston Baptist - W
  • Missouri St. - L

20-21 - (0-5)

  • Missouri - L
  • Wichita St - L
  • Oklahoma St. - L
  • Oklahoma - L
  • Arkansas - L

19-20 - (1-6)

  • Oklahoma St. - L
  • Tulsa - L
  • Iowa - L
  • Wichita St. - L
  • Creighton - L
  • Chicago St. - W
  • BYU - L

18-19 - (1-7)

  • Missouri St. - L
  • TCU - L
  • BYU - L
  • Oakland - L
  • SMU - L
  • Missouri - L
  • Wichita St. - L
  • Richmond - W

17-18 - (2-8)

  • Tulsa - L
  • Oklahoma St. - L
  • Pepperdine - L
  • Penn St. - L
  • K-State - L
  • Little Rock - W
  • UNLV - L
  • FGCU - W
  • Arkansas - L
  • Minnesota - L

16-17 - (0-6)

  • Baylor - L
  • Oakland - L
  • Michigan St. - L
  • Oklahoma - L
  • Missouri St. - L
  • Creighton - L

 

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5 minutes ago, eagle88 said:

These are growing pains we will have to go through. Unfortunately we have a limited budget and are at the mercy of big schools being willing to pay us. I was told other mid majors like Loyola Chicago are experiencing the same issue.

I agree that it is getting more difficult for schools in ORU's position. Some leagues like the B1G and ACC are incentivizing members to not play smaller school & expanding the conference schedule.

BUT just looking at ORU's recent road record I don't see how programs like Duke would think playing ORU at home translates into a possible loss. OSU plays ORU almost every season and I doubt that will change unless a previous contract is ending. I am sure Musselman will probably play ORU again in Bud Walton as well.

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I’ll play devil advocate for a minute. In 20-21 we beat Ohio State, Florida and almost beat Arkansas. Our smaller margins of losses in recent years appear to be making the big boys a little more concerned about us. When was the last time in ORU history that we did something of this magnitude? Even in the Sutton era when we made several NCAA appearances we didn’t come close to making it past the first round. If it could be proven that Duke made that comment about not wanting to play us would that change anyone’s mind?

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1 hour ago, Dr. Cornelius said:

I agree that it is getting more difficult for schools in ORU's position. Some leagues like the B1G and ACC are incentivizing members to not play smaller school & expanding the conference schedule.

BUT just looking at ORU's recent road record I don't see how programs like Duke would think playing ORU at home translates into a possible loss. OSU plays ORU almost every season and I doubt that will change unless a previous contract is ending. I am sure Musselman will probably play ORU again in Bud Walton as well.

Are you willing to put $80,000+ on it if you’re a Power 5 AD? ORU returns everyone except for 4 players who didn’t play and 1 starter in Lacis, then they go out and add 2 Power 5 transfers (one who is 7’3”)plus a UT-Arlington starter. 

Forget win/loss record “pre-sweet 16”. Do you think teams are judging ORU on their record from 2017? Why would Porter Moser risk losing an in-state game to ORU in year 2 at OU? Why would Mike Boynton risk losing an in-state game to ORU when the last 3 years they have won by 1, 5 and 6 pts. Why would Musselman play ORU after losing Vanover to ORU and having an Arkansas guard in Issac McBride being extra motivated to play? Why would TCU play again when they only won by 8 pts last year at home? Why would SMU, Missouri or LSU play and risk losing a home game in their first years as head coach at their respective schools? Why would Wichita State play when he is clearly on the hot seat going into next season?

There’s a lot more taken into account than “look at how they defend the post” or “look at their record on the road”. I think every high major coach is more worried about the “7-8 players who can all make a 3ptr” than how many pointe they give up on the block 😂

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