ORUTerry Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 We could always pay the fee - or someone could pay it for us. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Titan Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Valpo announced in May, 2006 that they were leaving the Mid-Con for the Horizon League, and then spent only the 2006-2007 season in the Mid-Con before starting play in the Horizon in 2007-2008. Not sure when the "2-Year Notice" rule went into effect in our conference, or if it was in place in 2006, or whether Valpo paid any kind of penalty to stay just one year. It would really suck to spend two years as a lame duck in the Summit League, especially any time an official's call or a league office ruling doesn't go our way. I'll always wonder if they're taking the "we-don't-care-what-you-think-'cause-you're-leaving" attitude toward us. But then, I'm paranoid by nature... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92EagleFan Matt B Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I know as a fan of the Colorado Buffs that a major factor for them in moving to the PAC-12 was that they had more fans in Phoenix, or LA or San Francisco than all of the Big 12 territory combined. They rarely sold the 3000 visitor tickets to away games in the Big 12, but sold 8,000 tickets to the football game at Cal last year before they were even in the conference. I wonder how if there are more ORU alumni are in Texas compared to North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, Michigan and Missouri combined. Plus, alumni tend to donate more if they catch a game or two. Reduced travel expenses paired with higher ticket sales and more donations makes for a pretty strong pitch to switch conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcboy2000 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 If the administration decides to go to the Southland, getting the $250,000 buyout fee paid would be no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmh8286 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 If the administration decides to go to the Southland, getting the $250,000 buyout fee paid would be no problem. How do you figure that, VCB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORUalum Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 travel savings and dropping men's soccer would probably pay for it. i hope ORU does not drop men's soccer (especially because of the new Case Soccer Complex), but there has been no mention in either TW article about what ORU would do w/the team if they moved to the Southland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcboy2000 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Where there's a will, there's a way. IF they have to pay any or all of the $250,000, moving some money around this year to make it happen would totally be recouped in the savings from next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2c Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Where there's a will, there's a way. IF they have to pay any or all of the $250,000, moving some money around this year to make it happen would totally be recouped in the savings from next year. Some conferences have exit fees, some have entrance fees, and some have both. UNO had to pay the Summit $250,000 to gain acceptance. NDSU and SDSU actually have a $500,000 exit fee if they leave before 2015, as they were considered a Big Sky flight risk. The Southland teams that left, UTSA, UTA, and Texas State, have to pay a Southland exit fee of $300,000, and a WAC entrance fee of $600,000. Not sure if the Southland has an entrance fee or not. The Summit League itself receives nearly $6 million per years from the NCAA (academic assistance, basketball credits, grants, student assistance funds, etc). The Summit League also gains revenue from its tournament, but has a lot of expenses (like salaries, championship hosting and travel, officials, etc). Not sure what the Summit League dispenses each member each year, but it probably is a bit under $250 K. To leave the Summit, ORU would forfeit the stipend from the Summit and pay the difference. The Southland can even help, as they are getting $300,000 exit fees from UTSA, UTA, and Texas State (meaning the Southland won't have to pay those schools, so the Southland will have extra cash hanging around). If the Southland has an entrance fee, sometimes that can be waived or reduced. Typically, a school doesn't pay the conference an actual entrance fee. Rather, the conference payouts to the school are reduced over a number of years equivalent to the amount of the entrance fee. NCAA revenue to conferences: http://www.ncaa.org/...ef9fe1ad6fc8b25 UT-Arlington's entrance and exit fees: http://www.star-tele...to-wac-but.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2c Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I wonder how if there are more ORU alumni are in Texas compared to North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, Michigan and Missouri combined. Plus, alumni tend to donate more if they catch a game or two.Maybe 10 times as many? Reduced travel expenses paired with higher ticket sales and more donations makes for a pretty strong pitch to switch conferences. Every trip either by bus or Southwest Airlines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2c Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 ORU can probably request the Missouri Valley Conference to grant affiliate membership in men's soccer. The Missouri Valley has a limited number of schools that offer that sport, and already has two affiliates: Bradley Central Arkansas (affiliate) Creighton Drake Evansville Missouri State S Illinois-Edwardsville (affiliate) The MVC would probably like an 8th team to help with scheduling. http://mvc.org/msoc/...&DB_OEM_ID=7600 The Summit League would probably want to keep ORU as a men's soccer affiliate, as they will be short of teams. They already offer E Illinois an affiliate membership: EIU (affiliate) IPFW IUPUI Oakland Omaha (agreed to start sport) UMKC WIU None of the Dakota schools offer men's soccer, so the Summit League is somewhat in a bind in that sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcboy2000 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Very insightful posts, S2C. All of those variables you mentioned look very favorable for ORU accepting an invitation if one is given and also starting play in August of 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89rabbit Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 With all the schools that the Southland has lost (and still could lose), ORU is in the driver’s seat as far as an invitation to join is concerned. The Southland is kind of the Big East of Mid-Majors (without the Basketball prowess). They have an unstable conference with football and non-football members all looking out for their own best interests as conference realignment continue to churn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORUJason Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 An article from the Beaumont Enterprise from about a year ago saying that Lamar would consider looking at options to leave the Southland Conference. There doesn't seem to be a lot of news that I can find over the last year since this quote. http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sports/lamar/article/Could-Lamar-leave-the-Southland-Conference-816426.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORUJason Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Another article about the changes in the Southland Conference including this quote: Burnett said he has been in contact with several other colleges that have expressed interest in joining the Southland, but he declined to name those schools. “There are some interest from schools outside of our league,” Burnett said. “They want to know what we’re up to and what we might be planning for. Some of those schools play football. Some of them don’t. That’s some issues that our presidents and athletic directors will have to work with in determining what’s of value out there for us to add. There is more to come on that, but it’s really reassuring to know there is interest in our conference going forward.” If the Southland does expand, Burnett said there are several components the conference will look for in a new member, including being a football-playing school, academic standings, geographic location and fan support. “It’s kind of an all of the above,” Burnett said. “You could pick all the great things that a school might bring to the table, but it’s about compatibility. They look and feel like us and have a chance like our schools have to be competitive in this league. Lot of factors in there. Not one in more of the others, but they are all important.” I'm still wondering about UALR and if the Sun Belt is happy with UALR even though they are the only non-football school. The Big East may very well steal some Conference USA teams. That may cause Conference USA to steal some teams from other conferences like the Sun Belt and maybe even the WAC. I don't know if that trickle down could eventually affect the Summit League or the Southland since the football teams left in those conferences do not play at the D-1 level (for football). http://www.champions...-changes?blog=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FargoBison Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Another article about the changes in the Southland Conference including this quote: I'm still wondering about UALR and if the Sun Belt is happy with UALR even though they are the only non-football school. The Big East may very well steal some Conference USA teams. That may cause Conference USA to steal some teams from other conferences like the Sun Belt and maybe even the WAC. I don't know if that trickle down could eventually affect the Summit League or the Southland since the football teams left in those conferences do not play at the D-1 level (for football). http://www.champions...-changes?blog=2 Southland schools would probably be the WAC's most likely expansion option if it lost a team or two. Most likely options being Lamar and SHSU. The Summit football schools have no interest in the WAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeagleman5 Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Tough decision for ORU....so many changes happening in the NCAA....you never know who is next to jump where.....what a mess college sports is in....it's all about the $$$.....but that's obvious.....hopefully, Dr. Rutland and Mike Carter will make the right decisions that certainly will affect ORU sports for years to come..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogus Smith Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 An article from the Beaumont Enterprise from about a year ago saying that Lamar would consider looking at options to leave the Southland Conference. There doesn't seem to be a lot of news that I can find over the last year since this quote. http://www.beaumonte...ence-816426.php The athletic director at Lamar is Billy Tubbs, a featured speaker at last year's Bracketology Breakfast put on by the ORU Golden Eagle Club. Mike Carter and Billy are good friends and I'm sure Mike has consulted with Billy on the Southland Conference and Lamar's position in the conference prior to any decision. I have a feeling that we'll be going into our decisions with eyes wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORUalum Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 good point. It will be a plus if ORU has Billy Tubbs and Lamar in their corner. Pat Knight and the Sutton boys are also good friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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