Gold* Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 ...I'm gonna print this out, put it in a little time capsule, bury it in my back yard right next to my kids' dead hamster, and then dig it up in 18 months to compare how our recruiting class this year stacks up against TU's from this year. Just as soon as I empty the time capsule of all the hyperbole I clipped out and buried a few years back about how Gonzo, Tiechman, Price, etc. were going to get John Phillips and TU back to the Sweet Sixteen again! Keep dreaming, Ghould* - keep dreaming! P.S. If your returning players are so promising, why is all the talk on your message board currently centered around the rumor that two players' scholarships will not be renewed for next season for the sole reason of bringing in better players? And why can't you guys STILL not sign any of the best metro high school players (Sidorakas being the latest one to slip through your proverbial fingers). Remember Eric Coley? Marcus Hill? Shea Seals? Pooh Williamson? The Rahilly brothers? (and don't trot Bartlesville's Mitchell out again: the main reason he didn't sign with us is because we would have red-shirted him - he knew he could play right away with your "team".) What does it tell you that better local players are now REGULARLY signing with ORU instead of TU? The issue of local players is a frequent topic on the TU board. Some think the talent is down while others think that other schools picked up on our local talent. Who knows? You're right that we've lost out on local players, but there haven't been many available that we would take other than the ones we lose to the Big 12 like Sidorakis and Stewart. Price was in a different class than Teichman and Gonzalez -- the latter two were signed with Kelly (left with grade issues), McDade and Ramsdell. Teichman was signed to be a role player. Ramsdell had a nice season last year and McDade is, in my opinion, our best player. The talk on the message board, if you were to read it, is actually about the two scholarships that we still have open and the inevitability that a third will open up (Hanson -- the last of the JP recruits). In fact, if you read that thread, you will see that the poster who started it was rebuked about the claims of one of our players leaving. But hey -- who needs facts? Mitchell was supposed to redshirt for us -- everyone thought that until right before the season. Then it turned out he was pretty good. He's never going to lead CUSA in scoring, but he plays good D. We've had this discussion before. That's actually a rare occurrence, that both TU and ORU go after the same players, as has been discussed before. I'm pretty sure Mitchell chose TU over ORU because he liked the school more. You might be suprised that a student would make a decision like that, but many do. His family was out of B-Ville and had lived in the Middle East doing the petroleum industry thing before that -- I think TU's engineering school actually played a big factor. Of course, he got to TU and changed majors mid-semester. It's pretty hard to play D-1 ball and be an engineering major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EagleBackr Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 My last word to YOU on this topic: I'll take King, Hazell, Sango, Gaines and Robinson and you take Earls, McLean, and any other three of your signees from this past November or this signing period, and let's play 2's-and-3's to 25, sudden death, best 3 out of 5 games. We'd beat you in 4 games, minimum, and maybe even sweep. That's because we signed a "1" (Gaines), two "2's" (Robinson and Hazell), a "3/4 swing" (Sango), and a "5" (King). You guys appear to still be scrambling to sign whatever you can find, regardless of position... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold* Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 My last word to YOU on this topic: I'll take King, Hazell, Sango, Gaines and Robinson and you take Earls, McLean, and any other three of your signees from this past November or this signing period, and let's play 2's-and-3's to 25, sudden death, best 3 out of 5 games. We'd beat you in 4 games, minimum, and maybe even sweep. That's because we signed a "1" (Gaines), two "2's" (Robinson and Hazell), a "3/4 swing" (Sango), and a "5" (King). You guys appear to still be scrambling to sign whatever you can find, regardless of position... I thought Sango was a two guard. Someone on our board says he'll play point and you say he's a 4. Heck -- he's a man for all seasons. If he was to line up against McLean, likely a college four, he woouldn't score many points. Of course, who the heck knows? Maybe Sango will grow four inches and become Karl Malone. We've been after two players visiting this weekend for quite awhile. I'm not sure what the scramble is. The third potential recruit is a mystery to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EagleBackr Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 There's little chance Sango will play the 2 at ORU - senior bomber Ken Tutt and freshman 3-point specialist Jeremy Hazell have that spot all but locked up for the forseable future. Liberty, Green and King are no-brainers at 1, 4 and 5 respectively, with Sango, Yemi Ugunoye and Marchello Vealy interchangable at the 3 and 4 spots, depending on defensive match-ups. But, if Liberty and/or Tutt are on the bench, Sango could play the 2 ala Eric Fowlkes or Larry Owens last season. Like several of ORU's players, he's pretty versatile. Man, this team looks good on paper!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORUTerry Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I've seen Sango play and I would characterize him more as a 3. He has very quick moves to the basket (slasher) and is very athletic (good leaper). Have been told he is very tenacious on defense. Could play shooting guard if necessary and maybe even down low depending on match-ups. He is a nice player to have against teams like IUPUI that play four or five guard sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold* Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 There's little chance Sango will play the 2 at ORU - senior bomber Ken Tutt and freshman 3-point specialist Jeremy Hazell have that spot all but locked up for the forseable future. Liberty, Green and King are no-brainers at 1, 4 and 5 respectively, with Sango, Yemi Ugunoye and Marchello Vealy interchangable at the 3 and 4 spots, depending on defensive match-ups. But, if Liberty and/or Tutt are on the bench, Sango could play the 2 ala Eric Fowlkes or Larry Owens last season. Like several of ORU's players, he's pretty versatile. Man, this team looks good on paper!! So it wasn't your last word to ME... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EagleBackr Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 So it wasn't your last word to ME... ...as anyone on this board with half a brain or a TU education can plainly see, my post above regarding Kelvin Sango and the rest of next year's line-up was addressed to NO ONE in particular and was, as usual, simply another brilliant observation featuring several astute points for EVERYONE to enjoy. As is this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold* Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 ...as anyone on this board with half a brain or a TU education can plainly see, my post above regarding Kelvin Sango and the rest of next year's line-up was addressed to NO ONE in particular and was, as usual, simply another brilliant observation featuring several astute points for EVERYONE to enjoy. As is this one... Spin it whatever way you want. Who needs facts? Who's on first? So, it sounds like you spoke from experience when you dissed my love life. You talk to yourself as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORU Eli Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 This is a no spin zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oruvoice Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 Spin it whatever way you want. Who needs facts? Who's on first? So, it sounds like you spoke from experience when you dissed my love life. You talk to yourself as well. This comes from a guy that has 8,000 posts on the TU board and shows up on many others? I'm beginning to see why you always want to call me a dork. Your own inability to do anything other than sit in front of a computer has warped your little mind. Dude, get out of the house. Go play some golf. Take a walk in the park. Go talk (face to face) with a girl. Something, other than sitting in front of your computer devising conspiracy theories about how ORU coaches "tricked" TU into recruiting bad players! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold* Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 This comes from a guy that has 8,000 posts on the TU board and shows up on many others? I'm beginning to see why you always want to call me a dork. Your own inability to do anything other than sit in front of a computer has warped your little mind. Dude, get out of the house. Go play some golf. Take a walk in the park. Go talk (face to face) with a girl. Something, other than sitting in front of your computer devising conspiracy theories about how ORU coaches "tricked" TU into recruiting bad players! This said by a guy with a signature about chatting with babes online all day. Hmmmm... Napolean Dynamite is a funny movie and I suggest you stick with humor -- you're much more pleasant to be around when you stick with humor. The "conspiracy theory" was a backhanded attempt at humor, but just that -- humor. If you think about it, you signed onto the same way that our coaches got duped. That's the quioxtic beauty of that thread. And like I said before, that was from very reliable sources. If you noticed, few contested the facts. I'll be polite on your board. I'm a busy guy, and while I have a lot of posts on the ITS board, I'm busy in a lot of other ways -- two weeks of law school left, a job, involvement in everything at the school, Cardinals baseball to watch, miles to run, and a Bar exam. Like EB's assertions about Sango on a basketball court, I'm a man for all seasons in Tulsa. While I spend a lot of time at a computer certain months out of the year, I'm all over town the rest of the time. Like I sorta said before, I'll agree to stick with above board humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EagleBackr Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 ...anyone who read Ghould*'s assertions about the ORU assistant coaches tricking TU's coaches into signing Teichman and Gonzoles or Gonzo or whatever the stiff's name was KNOWS FOR A FACT three things: 1.) Ghould* believed the story to be true, 2.) Ghould* was not joking when he reported it, 3.) Ghould* is, apparently, an idiot. Trying to "spin" a ridiculous error in judgement doesn't make it better; it makes it pathetic... Oh, for the record: I have no social life to speak of. I'm listening to the Golden Eagles as they lead Centenary 5-2 in college baseball action, watching LeBron school the Wizards in the NBA playoffs on ABC, surfing the 'net for a nice deal on a digital camera for an upcoming birthday present, and wondering why TU can't seem to convince ANYONE good to sign to play basketball for them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold* Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I have no doubt the story is true. I have no doubt it's funny. How are those two possibilities mutually exclusive? Something can be true and ridiculous at the same time -- how else do you explain Fresno State or Bob Barry? The humor is in how you use the facts and the timing; it derives from the act itself. I'll admit to being a jerk in the "conspiracy theory thread," but my goal was clearly humor. Of course the Voice wasn't going to quit posting. Like I tried to hint at, it was tantamount to "meta-humor" -- my proposal was just as ridiculous as that of JP believing the ORU staff. The humor was that he signed on. It was evil humor at his expense, but I got a long chuckle out of it. Who do you think I'm more angry at -- JP or the ORU staff? JP had no personality and even less guile. I sat with him on an airplane once and he refused to even make conversation. He didn't do his homework on the players. Heck, I admitted all those points in the thread. The issue was whether there was anything in anyway that could be interpreted as "shady." Reasonable minds could disagree on that point, but I believe there was enough to survive "summary judgment" because there was the possibility of disagreement. I thought you were done with me in this thread. You keep changing your mind on the point. Does that make you an idiot under your own theory? You say you won't speak to me, yet you do -- one thing is the case, while simultaneously you actively deny it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EagleBackr Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Does anyone else hear an annoying, high-pitched, whining sound? Yeah, me too. This thread seems to developed a bug or virus or something. It may be time for Doc C. to put it out of its (and our) misery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold* Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 You must be hearing things, chum. Your thread started out about the "sound of signing day," with assertions that TU wasn't signing anyone. That was debunked as not the case -- indeed TU should sign a couple of players this weekend or beginning of this week. The TU pay board has been humming with recruiting buzz all weekend. Then, you launch yet another personal attack in which you say you claim to hear whining. I'm not sure what aspect of my behavior constituted whining. I showed how your assertion that my statements were inconsistent was actually logically inaccurate -- it rested on false assumptions and premises. Then I showed how, under your theory, you actually were more illogical because you have contradicted yourself. If you want the thread to stop, don't use false assertions about my team or myself. And maybe the way you do that is by not listening to the sounds in your head that no one else seems to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsChon Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 ManiacPrez and Gold- Now apologize and shake each other's hands. That's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac prez Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Chon, I didn't do anything, I just told Gold that his team sucked... He's just in denial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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