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Anyone watching Oklahoma State- NC State game tonight? Ok State is tall and athletic but not a great shooting team.  If we shoot well next Friday I think we have a good chance to beat them. 

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15 hours ago, eagle88 said:

Anyone watching Oklahoma State- NC State game tonight? Ok State is tall and athletic but not a great shooting team.  If we shoot well next Friday I think we have a good chance to beat them. 

I watched it.  More than a little worried about the Cowboys length inside when they visit the Mabee Center.  The Boone twins and Texas Tech transfer Tyreek Smith may have a field day at the rim, offensively and defensively.

Also, watched South Dakota State dismantle Montana State in Brookings via ESPN+.  The Jacks are really good most of the time, but I still see a couple of weaknesses that ORU was able to exploit last March in Sioux Falls.  Here's hoping they don't correct them before this year's tournament... 😉

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St. Thomas wins again.  They have already won two D1 games, which is very impressive.  All their losses have been close, less then seven points.  It makes one wonder how much difference is there between D1 and D3.  Guess not much

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St. Thomas was completely dominating their D-3 conference.  That is why they moved up.  Basically their conference kicked them out.

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HUGE upset tonight, as SDSU loses 98-84 on the road at 1-7 Idaho (#352 in KenPom).  The Jackrabbits looked very average (at best), and Noah Freidel may have had the worst night of his career, shooting 5-23 from the field.  SDSU was a 22 point favorite going in, but allowed Idaho to shoot 54% from three, and trailed almost the entire game.  This was a shocker, much like ORU’s Central Arkansas debacle, and definitely proved that the Rabbits (while still Summit favorites) are very beatable.  

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9 minutes ago, TrueBlue82 said:

HUGE upset tonight, as SDSU loses 98-84 on the road at 1-8 Idaho (#352 in KenPom).  The Jackrabbits looked very average (at best), and Noah Freidel may have had the worst night of his career, shooting 5-23 from the field.  SDSU was a 22 point favorite going in, but allowed Idaho to shoot 54% from three, and trailed almost the entire game.  This was a shocker, much like ORU’s Central Arkansas debacle, and definitely proved that the Rabbits (while still Summit favorites) are very beatable.  

(….so here’s the dirty little secret on the Jackrabbits…..

….they’re not great on defense, and they’re careless with the ball….

….but, don’t tell anyone before ORU plays them…. 😉 ….)

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12 minutes ago, Old Titan said:

(….so here’s the dirty little secret on the Jackrabbits…..

….they’re not great on defense, and they’re careless with the ball….

….but, don’t tell anyone before ORU plays them…. 😉 ….)

Good call guys.  Isn't that how ORU beat them last year 103-86 at the Mabee Center.  Just outshoot them in a track meet game.  Of course, they are also good at that style of play.  Looks like Idaho beat the Jackrabbits at their own game, just like a good Alabama team did too earlier in the season.

ORU can do that at the Mabee Center but on the road, that is another story.

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That is a horrible loss for SDSU. On a side note Big Eli told me a while back that he was recruited by Idaho and he had zero desire to go there because they were so bad. It was funny seeing his facial expressions as he told me the story.

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7 hours ago, eagle88 said:

That is a horrible loss for SDSU. On a side note Big Eli told me a while back that he was recruited by Idaho and he had zero desire to go there because they were so bad. It was funny seeing his facial expressions as he told me the story.

(12-8-21)   SDSU 84 @ Idaho 98

(11-27-21Idaho 73 @ NDSU 90

 

(11-17-21) Montana St. 74 @ SDSU 91

(12-7-21)   NDSU 49 @ Montana St. 68

 

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3 minutes ago, ORUTerry said:

Hard to win on the road…

ORU finished last year 10-3 (after non-conference) away from the Mabee Center.  Whoever in the Summit Leage can win away on the road/neutral games will have a big year in 2022.  Hopefully Coach Mills can figure that out again this year.

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Even tonight, a 4-4 Rutgers team, who had lost on the road to Ilinois by 35, came home and beat the 1 ranked team Purdue.  Teams often play 35-40 points better at home than on the road.  Just unbelievable that there is that much difference!

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The rim seems bigger, the refs are friendlier, and the fan encouragement is plentiful. That makes winning on the road that much more impressive.

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I think it has a lot to do with the increased reliance on 3-point shooting, which for obvious familiarity reasons favors home teams, and can cripple a visiting team that doesn’t adjust well to the new shooting environment. 

Which is why I’m such a proponent for emphasizing inside play on offense (and subsequently getting to the free throw line more) when playing on the road. 

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Outstanding points from Old Titan...so it will be VERY hard for ORU to win at Missouri State tomorrow afternoon unless we take the ball inside....A LOT!.....hopefully Coach Mills reads our board....😉:hc_mills:

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Western Illinois up to 87 in the NET rankings, currently the highest Summit team.  When was the last time they finished the season better than 300 RPI? Wild. 

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58 minutes ago, EagleManiac said:

Western Illinois up to 87 in the NET rankings, currently the highest Summit team.  When was the last time they finished the season better than 300+ RPI? Wild. 

That is pretty surprising!

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6 hours ago, theeagleman5 said:

Outstanding points from Old Titan...so it will be VERY hard for ORU to win at Missouri State tomorrow afternoon unless we take the ball inside....A LOT!.....hopefully Coach Mills reads our board....😉:hc_mills:

Clarification:  by “inside play” - in addition to traditional post play, I also mean drives under control to the basket, making the extra pass offside when the driving lanes are cut off, and back door cuts against typically over-aggressive defense, all with the objectives of getting the ball in the paint and to the rim. 

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SDSU bounces back from their showing against Idaho to beat Washington State at the buzzer on a three.  Not sure how good WSU is but maybe a middle or bottom team in the PAC-10.  Still a great win for the Jackrabbits.

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Meanwhile....we can't beat Central Arkansas and Missouri State....ugh. 😬

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A little off topic but Washington State earlier in the season beat Arizona State 51-29 and it was 18-10 at halftime.  Sounds like a football game.  Maybe the ugliest game in college basketball this year.

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Based upon non-conference play (and using Ken Pomeroy as the number-cruncher), the Summit League teams have separated themselves into four very distinct categories (national ranking in parenthesis):

Prohibitive favorite, projected record 18-0:

SDSU (94)

The Jackrabbits are so far ahead of the rest of the league, they should be favorites in every conference game - home and away.

Contenders 14-4:

Western Ill (159)

NDSU (163)

ORU (165)

These three teams should split home/away with each other, and should be favored in all other games (except SDSU).

Spoilers 9-9:

UMKC (229)

USD (234)

These two teams will be unlikely to finish in the top four, but could determine how seeds 2 - 4 are slotted, as they will be a tough road opponent for any of the contenders.

Bottom Feeders 3-15:

Saint Thomas (293)

Denver (329)

Omaha (337)

UND (346)

These four teams will definitely pull the league's rating down, but shouldn't win many games as they will only be favored when another bottom feeder comes to town.  But, then again, ORU lost at 344 Central Arkansas and SDSU lost at 339 Idaho, so...

 

In a normal season, every team will trip up a time or two and step up at least a couple of times during the season, so it is unlikely that SDSU will finish the conference schedule at 18-0.  That said, I would be very surprised if the top four seeds in March were earned by any teams outside the favorite/contenders.  For ORU, the key to this analysis is to not fall behind the other contenders.  They must sweep the bottom feeders, win three of four with the spoilers, split with the contenders, and hope to pull off an upset against the favorite.  This week is pretty important, with an opportunity to take on a spoiler and the favorite, so a win or two would put the team on the right trajectory.   

 

 

 

 

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WIU plays at Iowa Wednesday Night. Leathernecks are an 18.5 point dog. Let's see how they fare against a very good Big Ten team...🤨

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Iowa Hawkeyes cover 92-71....ouch.....:wiu:

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