Mybabyhoops Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Sure hasn't been much chatter on the forum as of late. Curious, after looking at the RPI's it seems that the Summit League is tougher than the Southland. Granted, last year, the ladies won the Southland conf. would it have been possible for them to have won the Summit last year? Is it that much better? Also, why would they have left for 2 years only to return? Seems that could have cost a lot of money that obviously didn't need to be spent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Titan Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Lots of discussion on this topic on Men's Basketball forum. Many topics that probably belong in other forums wind up in the Men's Basketball forum, since it's the most populated forum we have and creates more discussion. Not a bad thing, or a good thing - just a thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidrabbit Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Sure hasn't been much chatter on the forum as of late. Curious, after looking at the RPI's it seems that the Summit League is tougher than the Southland. Granted, last year, the ladies won the Southland conf. would it have been possible for them to have won the Summit last year? Is it that much better? Also, why would they have left for 2 years only to return? Seems that could have cost a lot of money that obviously didn't need to be spent! South Dakota St has been the tough out in the Summit League in WBB since they joined. The Jackrabbits have won 5 straight championships since 2007. Now that the Summit League tourney is scheduled in Sioux Falls, SD through at least 2018, effectively in SDSU's and USD's backyard, it has been tough for any time. But all those championship games have been tough wins for the ladies. So far, this season SDSU is 7-4, and includes wins over #12 Penn St, Georgetown, and previously unbeaten UW-Green Bay. So while ORU was always battling (and actually was the #1 seed once, during this 5 year run), getting ORU WBB to NCAA was an easier path via the Southland than via the Summit. In MBB, I would make the remark that the Southland entry has typically been a 14-15 seed, while the Summit has been 13-14 seeds, SINCE the DAKOTAS were added. When ORU left for the Southland, the WAC looked solid, The Sunbelt was focusing on football schools. The Summit had some weak teams, Centenary, UMKC, and the strong teams (other than the Dakotas) were just an invite away from going to whoever invited them. Yes, Oakland left also. But Centenary dropped to D-III, and UMKC decided to go to a very watered down WAC. A team near the top of the D-I non-football all-sports awards (Denver U) joins the Summit. 2 years ago, Summit wasn't as attractive for ORU as it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Titan Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 In MBB, I would make the remark that the Southland entry has typically been a 14-15 seed, while the Summit has been 13-14 seeds, SINCE the DAKOTAS were added. I sure hope you're not implying (stating?) that the arrival of the Dakota schools into the Summit League caused some sort of boost to NCAA seeding. Here are the league NCAA seeds for the past 18 seasons: 1996 Valparaiso 14 lost to Arizona 1997 Valparaiso 12 lost to Boston College 1998 Valparaiso 13 defeated Ole Miss, defeated Florida State, lost to Rhode Island 1999 Valparaiso 15 lost to Maryland 2000 Valparaiso 16 lost to Michigan State 2001 Southern Utah 14 lost to Boston College 2002 Valparaiso 13 lost to Kentucky 2003 IUPUI 16 lost to Kentucky 2004 Valparaiso 15 lost to Gonzaga 2005 Oakland 16 defeated Alabama A&M**, Lost to North Carolina 2006 Oral Roberts 16 lost to Memphis 2007 Oral Roberts 14 lost to Washington State 2008 Oral Roberts 13 lost to Pittsburgh 2009 North Dakota State 14 lost to Kansas 2010 Oakland 14 lost to Pittsburgh 2011 Oakland 13 lost to Texas 2012 South Dakota State 14 lost to Baylor 2013 South Dakota State 13 lost to Michigan Don't see a whole lot of variance over the years, except for a slight dip from 1999-2006, when a number of previously non-D1 schools (including the XDSU's) were added, thus affecting league RPI. (Also, the No. 16 Seed that Oakland got in 2005 was as an upset-titleist with a losing record - if regular-season champion ORU had won the Mid-Con conference tournament, they were projected as a No. 12 Seed, or even better. Same story with No. 16 IUPUI in 2003, over highly-regarded regular season champion Valpo). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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