ORU Big Brother Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Oh, yeah - you're talking about the officer that tazered his ten year old son, and that threatened to kill his father in law. Yes, they DID talk about that on Fox News. Have they also talked about how she tried to fire the city librarian in Wasilla because she refused to ban the books Palin wanted banned? In case they were too busy high-fiving each other over John McLame, here's a link: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html Here's another link about the Alaska state trooper's union filing a ethics complaint over Palin: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/516746.html Sounds like a grizzled Republican veteran to me. "I'm in charge, how dare you tell me what I can and can't do. Don't you dare question me." Four more years of this and our country will implode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Titan Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Have they also talked about how she tried to fire the city librarian in Wasilla because she refused to ban the books Palin wanted banned? In case they were too busy high-fiving each other over John McLame, here's a link: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html Here's another link about the Alaska state trooper's union filing a ethics complaint over Palin: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/516746.html Sounds like a grizzled Republican veteran to me. "I'm in charge, how dare you tell me what I can and can't do. Don't you dare question me." Four more years of this and our country will implode. If the Republicans win, are you going to move out of the country with Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger? Fret not about the future of this great land, BB: it's managed to survive the likes of Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush; it can withstand this latest round of turkeys, too. America is bigger than one doofus in the Oval Office for 48 months. Just riddle me this: when, oh when, is someone truly incredible going to win the U.S. presidency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Minyard Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Four more years of this and our country will implode. I don't think it could get any closer to imploding. Bush has been horrible. Anything would be an upgrade at this point. Personally, I don't think either candidate is good enough for our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORU Big Brother Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I don't think it could get any closer to imploding. Bush has been horrible. Anything would be an upgrade at this point. Personally, I don't think either candidate is good enough for our country. I agree completely. I'm a Democrat but I just can't stand the thought of voting for Obama. McCain? No way, no how. However, if the Republicans continue to be mean, nasty and down-right hateful like they've been this week, I may have no choice but to vote Obama. And I really don't want to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Minyard Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 How about ORUBB and I seeing eye-to-eye on a political issue? I think hell just froze over! I'm pretty far right on the majority of things. However, I do have what Republicans would consider a liberal opinion on abortion. My opinion is that the government should have as little as possible to do with our own personal decision making. The government should stick to roads, education, and the economy. Bottom line... both candidates are terrible. I may vote by NOT voting this election. At this point I would have to vote Obama, and that's not really something I want to do. He wants to get out of the war way to quickly. Obama would walk away with this election if he would say the war was wrong, but the surge worked. And we must make sure we leave the war the right way even if that means staying longer than 16 months (or whatever goal he set). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmh8286 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I'm pretty far right on the majority of things. However, I do have what Republicans would consider a liberal opinion on abortion. My opinion is that the government should have as little as possible to do with our own personal decision making. The government should stick to roads, education, and the economy. Sounds like you may be libertarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cletus Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I'd still like to go to Alaska sometime and see that great state! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORU Big Brother Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I'd still like to go to Alaska sometime and see that great state! If you do, be sure and eat at the Snow City Cafe in Anchorage. Also Simon & Seifert's is the best place for seafood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Minyard Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Sounds like you may be libertarian. But I'm not strongly opposed to taxes. I think taxes are important for us to make improvements. Now how much we tax people with different levels of income could be a different thread all together. I'll have to say that I'm a little intrigued now that I've looked at their website: http://www.lp.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmh8286 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Just riddle me this: when, oh when, is someone truly incredible going to win the U.S. presidency? I don't see that person being forged in the fires in our world today. We live in a world where too many issues are viewed in shades of gray, and few in black and white. It's hard for a principled person to please a large number of people, because there are few issues that a large majority will agree on. Not only that, as you can see even on our tame little message board, the lines are drawn pretty heavily by both sides. If a leader satisfies one side, the other is pretty shrill in their attacks on him. Satisfy the other, and there are as many from the other side challenging his ability to lead. Half of our nation is always going to call the man in the White House a weak leader. Sadly, we are a VERY divided nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKC Eagle Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 Which is why "bi-partisanship" is a pile of crap. Politics is a war and there will be no compromise until one side is defeated. Mike, if you are leaning libertarian, but considering voting for Obama (a socialist), then you need to do some more soul searching about your own core values. No politician is going to have the same stand on every issue as you do, but you have to find someone with core values that match your own and trust that that person will make the right decision most of the time. That is why I am so excited about Sarah Palin. Not because I agree with her on the issues (although so far I do), but because she shares the same core values of faith, family and justice that I have. Obama's economic plan, like all socialists and most Democrats, is to take money from one group of people and give it to another group of people that it does not belong to. In any context outside of government and politics, that is what we call theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbl78 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Which is why "bi-partisanship" is a pile of crap. Politics is a war and there will be no compromise until one side is defeated. Mike, if you are leaning libertarian, but considering voting for Obama (a socialist), then you need to do some more soul searching about your own core values. No politician is going to have the same stand on every issue as you do, but you have to find someone with core values that match your own and trust that that person will make the right decision most of the time. That is why I am so excited about Sarah Palin. Not because I agree with her on the issues (although so far I do), but because she shares the same core values of faith, family and justice that I have. Obama's economic plan, like all socialists and most Democrats, is to take money from one group of people and give it to another group of people that it does not belong to. In any context outside of government and politics, that is what we call theft. +1 Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Minyard Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Which goes back to my main stance on this whole presidential race... they both are terrible. I don't care for either one, and I think they will both make lousy presidents. And there values will not make a dramatic impact on the country. The president just doesn't have the power to do much today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORU Big Brother Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Which is why "bi-partisanship" is a pile of crap. Politics is a war and there will be no compromise until one side is defeated. Mike, if you are leaning libertarian, but considering voting for Obama (a socialist), then you need to do some more soul searching about your own core values. No politician is going to have the same stand on every issue as you do, but you have to find someone with core values that match your own and trust that that person will make the right decision most of the time. That is why I am so excited about Sarah Palin. Not because I agree with her on the issues (although so far I do), but because she shares the same core values of faith, family and justice that I have. Obama's economic plan, like all socialists and most Democrats, is to take money from one group of people and give it to another group of people that it does not belong to. In any context outside of government and politics, that is what we call theft. But a group of people who NEEDS it more than those who HAVE it. I've never understood why this is considered to be a bad thing. The Republican catch phrase this year is "Country First". It seems like they want to put country first, just not at their own financial expense. They'll lay down their lives for the nation, but they won't open up their wallets. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Minyard Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I have to agree with ORUBB on the tax issue as well. I don't want the lower income to use the rich as a crutch, but the rich should pay more taxes. The majority of rich people were given or took advantage of opportunities others didn't get and for whatever reason have been more successful financially (it doesn't really matter how it happens). The poor are always going to be among us, and the rich must help support them. I'm not capable of breaking down exactly how tax rates should be divided, but our middle class is shrinking daily. They need help! I might have to get married soon just so I can afford to put a roof over my head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cletus Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 If you do, be sure and eat at the Snow City Cafe in Anchorage. Also Simon & Seifert's is the best place for seafood. Thanks ORU BB. I'll keep that in mind...especially the seafood place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cletus Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I don't see that person being forged in the fires in our world today. We live in a world where too many issues are viewed in shades of gray, and few in black and white. It's hard for a principled person to please a large number of people, because there are few issues that a large majority will agree on. Not only that, as you can see even on our tame little message board, the lines are drawn pretty heavily by both sides. If a leader satisfies one side, the other is pretty shrill in their attacks on him. Satisfy the other, and there are as many from the other side challenging his ability to lead. Half of our nation is always going to call the man in the White House a weak leader. Sadly, we are a VERY divided nation. When I traveled to Athens, Greece in 1994 we studied the concept of democracy, where the idea began. They said that a democracy can only work with about 10,000 people, not 300,000 people as we have. Too many people, to many ideas just doesn't work. When I was in seminary, the best government one of my professors felt was a benevolent oligarchy. Emphasis on "benevolent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogus Smith Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 This video is a little long (~ 10 minutes), but gives you an unscripted look at Sarah Palin and her background in a church environment. This is the description of what the video is about: "Governor Palin did attended Wasilla Assembly of God since the time she was a teenager. She and her family were a part of the church up until 2002. Since that time she has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here. In June 2008, the Governor spoke at the graduation service of our School of Ministry, Master’s Commission Wasilla Alaska." This is a video of that message. Sarah Palin at Wasilla AG Church Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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