Old Titan Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 57 minutes ago, Eaglefan 21 said: BUST Team- I haven’t researched what happened to most of these guys after ORU so maybe they had good careers but they didn’t live up to the hype from what I can remember. Hunter Mclintock- loved his videos but the fancy dribbling and passes didn’t translate Dedrick Lee- Big Time Arkansas recruit, couldn’t get on the court. Chris Crawford- local product from Victory, I thought he would solidify the PG position but I don’t think he even made it through a whole season at ORU. Ty Lazenby- OU transfer, was supposed to be a shooter but it didn’t happen at ORU. Darian Harris- creighton transfer, came in as a freshman on a bad ORU team and never really took off. Averaged 3-4 points a game over 3 years. He had a couple good shooting games. Honorable mention- Curtis Allen, Beloved Rogers, Tim Morton Oh, now THIS one cracks me up! LOL How can we forget "Five Star" Jamie Bergens from The Netherlands?? Or Jahaziel Howard, younger brother of NBA man-child Dwight Howard? Or Jake Lliteras, much-ballyhooed North Carolina prep star? Finally, Bobby Word of Lancaster, TX, who started over 20 games as a freshman in 2013-14, then fizzled out and away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglefan 21 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Old Titan said: Oh, now THIS one cracks me up! LOL How can we forget "Five Star" Jamie Bergens from The Netherlands?? Or Jahaziel Howard, younger brother of NBA man-child Dwight Howard? Or Jake Lliteras, much-ballyhooed North Carolina prep star? Finally, Bobby Word of Lancaster, TX, who started over 20 games as a freshman in 2013-14, then fizzled out and away? Jamie Bergens may be the ultimate bust from the last decade. It didn't help that he came in behind one of the greatest guards in ORU history who never leaves the court. Bobby Word and Kris Martin both had good starts at ORU as freshman but left for other pastures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglefan 21 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Mr_TwoFive said: Curtis Allen is the best player to never make it. He was unbelievably gifted. Athletic - could jump out of the gym. Could score at all three levels. I think it was more mental than anything for him. I remember sitting in the student section and watching his dunks during warm-ups, his athleticism was wild. Never knew why he couldn't get on the court. I believe he started at a P5 school before transfering to ORU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamb740 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Keenan Henderson said: The all underrated team since 2000: Isaac McBride (in Max's shadow) Kory Billbury (in Obi's shadow) Brandon Conley (a true glue guy) Steven Roundtree (very talented but had some off court issues) Albert Owens (solid four years but on poor teams) Another honorable mention is Chris Riouse, incredible 3-point specialist. I remember he had a game in which he made ten 3-pointers and he played great against Memphis in the NCAA tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_TwoFive Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Eaglefan 21 said: I remeber sitting in the student section and watching his dunks during warm-ups, his athleticism was wild. Never knew why he couldn't get on the court. I believe he started at a P5 school before transfering to ORU. Curtis didn’t gel entirely well with the staff. Also, if you didn’t defend or couldn’t get the ball into the post when they were open, Sutton would NOT play you lol. His leash was a lot shorter than a Jarvis, Moses, Yemi, Sango, Liberty. It wasn’t a good fit for him. He ended up playing professionally for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeagleman5 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 This discussion on ORU busts is priceless and TheEagleman is loving it....Hunter McClintock...lol.....Bobby Word and Jake Lliteras.....oh how times have changed..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Titan Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Eaglefan 21 said: Bobby Word...left for other pastures. Perhaps the only time in modern history that Cleveland State was described as pastoral... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManiacAlum Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 16 hours ago, Eaglefan 21 said: BUST Team- I haven’t researched what happened to most of these guys after ORU so maybe they had good careers but they didn’t live up to the hype from what I can remember. Hunter Mclintock- loved his videos but the fancy dribbling and passes didn’t translate Dedrick Lee- Big Time Arkansas recruit, couldn’t get on the court. Chris Crawford- local product from Victory, I thought he would solidify the PG position but I don’t think he even made it through a whole season at ORU. Ty Lazenby- OU transfer, was supposed to be a shooter but it didn’t happen at ORU. Darian Harris- creighton transfer, came in as a freshman on a bad ORU team and never really took off. Averaged 3-4 points a game over 3 years. He had a couple good shooting games. Honorable mention- Curtis Allen, Beloved Rogers, Tim Morton Busts going back to the early to mid aughts: Daren Jordan- Allegedly the No. 1 rated PG in the state of Arizona in 2005. I don't remember him actually entering any games before he transferred. The 75 or so point guards ORU rostered between 2013-2017 Hate to call these guys "busts" but maybe the first two entries on a One Shining Moment Team: Marchello Vealy- Once upon a time ORU had two Oklahoma HS POTY on the same team. One was 3x All-American/Conference POTY and recently inducted HOFer Caleb Green. The other was Marchello, who scored over 20 pts in a game exactly once, when he had 22 in ORU's 78-71 win at Kansas in '06. Andrew Meloy- Appeared in a total of 15 games over 4 years, then due to injury got 20 minutes in ORU's road victory over Valpo in 2005 (the lone road victory in that rivalry) and made two big shots down the stretch. Then he averaged like 12 ppg over the last regular season game and the 3 conference tournament games before ORU's infamous loss to Oakland in the final. His career average had to be under 2.0 ppg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeagleman5 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Speaking of busts....TheEagleman noticed our former Coach Scott Sutton sitting at the end of the bench next to the scorers table the other night in Norman when the Pokes whipped OU.....still SMH that our beloved former leader has never gotten another head coaching opportunity in the past 6 years.....the guy won over 200 games and is the leading winner all time at decent Mid Major....look, I know he probably got a nice 7 figure settlement from ORU and also must have had a nice payout from the late Eddie's estate.....plus he is probably cashing a decent 6 figure check from OSU.....but is Scott just going to coast into retirement counting his $$$ at OSU???....just seems like a waste.....besides he looked really disinterested and bored on Wednesday night and his team was winning...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oruvoice Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Millionaire. Making 6 figures to hold a clip board. Zero stress. Happy wife and kids. If that's a "bust", then sign me up. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORU82 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 OT's reference above about Cleveland State is spot on. Cleveland State is the classic commuter/community college campus that morphed into a 16,000 student university. It sits right off of downtown Cleveland and as we like to say, Cleveland is Detroit but without the glitter, or perhaps the Eagleman would undertand it like this; Philly is Cleveland but without the glitter, you know, the mistake by the lake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORUTerry Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, ManiacAlum said: Busts going back to the early to mid aughts: Daren Jordan- Allegedly the No. 1 rated PG in the state of Arizona in 2005. I don't remember him actually entering any games before he transferred. The 75 or so point guards ORU rostered between 2013-2017 Hate to call these guys "busts" but maybe the first two entries on a One Shining Moment Team: Andrew Meloy- Appeared in a total of 15 games over 4 years, then due to injury got 20 minutes in ORU's road victory over Valpo in 2005 (the lone road victory in that rivalry) and made two big shots down the stretch. Then he averaged like 12 ppg over the last regular season game and the 3 conference tournament games before ORU's infamous loss to Oakland in the final. His career average had to be under 2.0 ppg. I think Meloy had to be convinced to come back for his final season since he had graduated and been admitted to law school. He played infrequently the following season and Sutton, to his eternal shame, never put Meloy into the NCAA game - even though we were getting blown out. I heard that Andrew was bitter about that. At times, Sutton could be clueless - and classless 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmh8286 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, ORUTerry said: I think Meloy had to be convinced to come back for his final season since he had graduated and been admitted to law school. He played infrequently the following season and Sutton, to his eternal shame, never put Meloy into the NCAA game - even though we were getting blown out. I heard that Andrew was bitter about that. At times, Sutton could be clueless - and classless That was a mystery to us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeagleman5 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 But Scott must have some pride/ego, right???....doesn't he want to run his own program again???...I guess not if he is financially secure and everyone in his family is happy...but geez he just looked so useless sitting there in his orange shirt with his arms folded.....understood that Boynton has all the pressure.....Scott must just like the situation where he doesn't have to recruit and answer for why things are going wrong....and i will make this comment....TheEagleman after watching OSU at OU thinks that they made the right decision dropping ORU from the schedule....we would beat either one of those teams...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceManSpiff Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, theeagleman5 said: Speaking of busts....TheEagleman noticed our former Coach Scott Sutton sitting at the end of the bench next to the scorers table the other night in Norman when the Pokes whipped OU.....still SMH that our beloved former leader has never gotten another head coaching opportunity in the past 6 years.....the guy won over 200 games and is the leading winner all time at decent Mid Major....look, I know he probably got a nice 7 figure settlement from ORU and also must have had a nice payout from the late Eddie's estate.....plus he is probably cashing a decent 6 figure check from OSU.....but is Scott just going to coast into retirement counting his $$$ at OSU???....just seems like a waste.....besides he looked really disinterested and bored on Wednesday night and his team was winning...... Did you forget you were talking about Scott Sutton? Seems par for the course. Admittedly, I was only on the outside looking in, but he always struck me as a guy to farm out all the work to assistants (scouting, recruiting, etc.), swing by Ron's every day for lunch, and phone it in during the games. I am sure he was probably a nice guy but not someone I'd describe as 'driven.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue82 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, theeagleman5 said: besides he looked really disinterested and bored on Wednesday night and his team was winning...... Reminds me of his final 3-4 seasons at ORU, except for the winning. Call me crazy, but I always sensed that Scott fell into coaching because it was the family business, not because HE was passionate about it. I fear he may be one of those guys to get to the end of his life to discover he never really lived it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaLegend Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 I remember Hunter McClintock along with two other players tore their ACL's in practice before one season. The all bust team really makes you appreciate how difficult it is to play at the next level, which is only amplified moving to the NBA. I hope Max gets a shot, but as Mr_25 mentioned, the way the games are called seems to be evolving constantly, and the NBA style of reffing is definitely different. The NBA teams seems to try and build around a few guys as well, which is why I could see a less obvious guy like Mwamba make it, due to his energy and athleticism on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Titan Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, SonofaLegend said: I remember Hunter McClintock along with two other players tore their ACL's in practice before one season. The all bust team really makes you appreciate how difficult it is to play at the next level, which is only amplified moving to the NBA. I hope Max gets a shot, but as Mr_25 mentioned, the way the games are called seems to be evolving constantly, and the NBA style of reffing is definitely different. The NBA teams seems to try and build around a few guys as well, which is why I could see a less obvious guy like Mwamba make it, due to his energy and athleticism on defense. Not to give it up to myself (because we all know I would NEVER do such a thing), but I labeled Mwamba ORU’s best pro prospect back in November. He’s Tony Allen (OSU and Memphis Grizzlies) with a jump shot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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