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theeagleman5

Big game tonight at JLJ as the 12th ranked Pokes come to town looking for a little revenge....hopefully a nice  night for baseball and this game should tell us a lot about ORU's chances vs. top competition in the NCAA Tournament next month.  Anybody going to the game?....TheEagleman will expect a full report although I will try to watch some of it on line.....We are now into May and so far, ORU has shown very good consistent pitching but our bats have been anything but.....take last weekend for example...we get 19 runs in the opening game against what I assume was WIU's top starter....then we can only get 3 runs each on Saturday and Sunday vs. one of the worst teams in the Summit....at this point, ORU has still to prove that we can hit against top flight pitching....we still have non league games with Wichita State and Purdue coming up and with 3 weeks to go before the Summit playoffs it's fairly safe to say that ORU should get the #1 seed and be set up for another NCAA appearance in early June.....but we are surely going to be a mid to low 4 seed and could draw a National Seed in the opening game.....B)

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ORUalum

Riley Keizor just became my favorite player.:sunglasses:

 

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ORUJason

6-0 with 3 innings to go.  Impressive!

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EagleManiac

Anybody listening? What just happened at the plate? 

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theeagleman5

TheEagleman didn't get to see or listen to the game but just saw that ORU hung on to beat OSU 6-5....must have been a classic at JLJ tonight.....the Good Guys jumping out to a first inning 5-0 lead which included a HR by Nick Roark...some good early pitching by Taylor Varnell but the bullpen almost blew it until Stout came in and got the final outs.....looks like we threw out the tying run in the 9th at the plate....maybe somebody can get that replay....ORU now 27-15 on the season and now up to NDSU for a weekend series with the Bison.....:eagles:

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ORUalum
12 minutes ago, EagleManiac said:

Anybody listening? What just happened at the plate? 

according to the radio broadcast, the umps were reviewing the play at the plate from the TV broadcast.

Adam speculated the concern was either a malicious slide by the OSU player or blocking the plate by Keizor --- baseball is trying to legislate out big collisions at the plate.

in the post game, Folmar said Keizor "got his bell rung" and was removed from the game in an abundance of caution

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ORUTerry

I left the game early, but telephoned OT (who stayed until the end) and he said Keizor was called for interference initially - allowing the run to score. The ref reversed the call after reviewing it on TV. The runner must have gone out of his way to deck Reizor. (OT said Reizor looked to be knocked out cold.) The OSU bench went nuts. Their players did not shake hands with the ORU players. 

Pistols (mis)firing

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TrueBlue82

I'll be interested in seeing the replay.  From Adam's call, Keizor caught the ball in front of the plate, and then slid into the basepath with the ball, which is completely legal (from my understanding, at least) to tag the runner.  Since the "can't block the plate" rule is still quite new, it is often misunderstood. 

Great win for ORU, now 9-1 against OSU over the last four seasons.  Hopefully, they'll continue to schedule us...

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EagleManiac

Thanks for the clarification you guys. From my seat, it looked like the ball was easily in time and Keizor was waiting for the runner (in the basepath). I wish there had been some clarification from the umpire. Everyone around me was very confused. Hopefully somebody can post the replay here, and maybe the call by Adam? Not sure if either are available, but I’d love to hear/see what happened again. 

The game as a whole was great! Good crowd, great atmosphere, big win. Cowboys haven’t won at J.L. Johnson since ‘95. Pretty impressive for li’l ol’ ORU. Impressive fireworks as well, though I was a bit shocked at how loud they were so late on a Tuesday. I’m sure somebody will be fielding plenty of calls from angry neighbors tomorrow morning. :tears-of-joy:

 

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ORU82

I watched the game on ESPN+ and as a side note would love to again thank the ORU Athletic Department for putting the games on TV.  It is great to watch these games being 1,000 miles away from Tulsa.

As for the play in question, the throw to home was fantastic and Keizor clearly got the ball well before the OSU runner made it to home plate.  As a matter of fact, Keizor never dropped the ball and therefore the OSU runner was called out by the Umpire from the start.  Immediately thereafter, and because Keizor was on the ground and not moving, the Umpire then called timeout.  Then the long review by two of the officials watching the video replay was to determine whether or not the hit on Keizor by the OSU runner was either malicious or intentional.  

That is how it played out on TV and was reviewed by the broadcast team several times including slow motion.  It was a great play and Keizor really sacrificed himself to make the play.

Nice win Golden Eagles although our pitching in the 7th gave me serious concerns.  In the end we held on and won.  Again, watching the game on ESPN+ it appeared to be a good and loud crowd, beautiful night for a game at JLJ and it clearly came across that this is a serious rivalry with no love loss between ORU and OSU fans.  Finally, congrats to the Good Guys for keeping the win streak over OSU at JLJ going.  The broadcast team pointed out that the last time OSU won in JLJ was 1995!

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ORUalum

skip to 2 min 10 seconds.....

 

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theeagleman5

So Glad that ORU got the win in this intense battle....great experience for the post season....and OSU wouldn't shake hands with us after the game?....Bleep 'em.....:*

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Dr. Cornelius

 

 

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Dr. Cornelius
42 minutes ago, theeagleman5 said:

So Glad that ORU got the win in this intense battle....great experience for the post season....and OSU wouldn't shake hands with us after the game?....Bleep 'em.....:*

:smiling-open-mouth-smiling-eyes:

Don't really expect anything less from a Holliday coached team. Wouldn't be surprised if the "pokes" start ducking ORU because they can't win.

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theeagleman5

Is former ORU Coach Walton still on the OSU staff?....:!:

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Old Titan

Not shaking hands is an OSU tradition (?) started by former head coach Gary Ward and his assistant Tom Holliday back in the '80's.  It coincided with their "bad boy" image they embraced in those days -  according to Ward, they "weren't out there to make friends".  Current OSU head coach Josh Holliday is Tom Holliday's son (and assistant Rob Walton pitched for Tom Holliday) and is real big on bringing back the old traditions of those World Series teams.  Hence, the no-handshake policy - with ANY team.  The coaching staffs DID shake hands at home plate, and there was even some conversation, probably inquiring about Keizor's status.

As for the blocking the plate question:  as you can see in ORUAlum's video from Cowboy Baseball, when the collision first occurred and Keizor goes down like a sack of potatoes, the home plate umpire NEITHER signals "out" (clinched fist) NOR "run scored" (pointing at the plate).  He doesn't just stand there waiting to make a call, either (as sometimes happens when the ball rolls away or the runner never touches the plate, keeping it a "live ball" situation).  He immediately holds his hands UP and throws them out repeatedly, which in my book means "dead ball" or "time" (not "safe").  He them looks out to check where the batter is on bases (either second or third base).  That gave me the appearance that he was calling the catcher for blocking the plate, and that the play was "dead". 

But all three umpires then huddled and went to the replay screen down the first base line (which was right beneath my feet as I slummed in ORUTerry's box seats).  Their conversation while watching the replay was all about the blocking the plate rule and the proper interpretation in this particular case.  After 10-15 minutes, they signaled the runner "out", which I suppose technically is not a "reversal" since in hindsight HE NEVER MADE A CALL TO BEGIN WITH.  The OSU bench was as incensed about the batter having to stay at second base as they were about the call at the plate, but I think the home plate umpire ruled that the batter was not at third yet when the collision occurred and time was called. 

Here's a link to the NCAA rule, which has been tweaked quite a bit in recent seasons:  https://ncaabaseball.arbitersports.com/Groups/105039/Library/files/Feb2018_MBA_Interpretation_Plays_At_Plate_20180205.pdf

Keizor did in fact appear to be within the rule, since he fielded the ball before the collision.

Very big - and very strange - call!

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Otis 83

Does anyone know why the game was behind a paywall on ESPN+?  I’m accustomed to getting games for free on WatchESPN. I didn't bother to pay last night because I was comitted to finding the area of polygons and quadrilaterals with my 12 yo.

I did enjoy getting a text in the first inning from my HS buddy who is a proud OSU grad. It simply said “Dang.”

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Just now, Otis 83 said:

Does anyone know why the game was behind a paywall on ESPN+?  I’m accustomed to getting games for free on WatchESPN. I didn't bother to pay last night because I was comitted to finding the area of polygons and quadrilaterals with my 12 yo.

I did enjoy getting a text in the first inning from my HS buddy who is a proud OSU grad. It simply said “Dang.”

Meet "the new normal":

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/02/espns-streaming-service-espn-to-launch-april-12/

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ORU82

I agree Otis, I too was not thrilled about paying ESPN+ $4.95 per month or whatever but at the end of the day I love watching college sports, am a junkie in that regard and I have a couple alma maters that will put a lot of their sports on that channel so I bit the bullet and paid the price.  I wish it was on ESPN3 but am glad none the less to be able to watch the Golden Eagles

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ORUalum

with ESPN hemorrhaging cable subscribers, i suspect more of their online streaming content will be placed behind their new ESPN+ paywall which launched last month.

Clay Travis has an article today that they lost 500k cable subs just in April ---- https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-loses-500000-subscribers-april/

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WeirdAlORU
7 minutes ago, Otis 83 said:

Does anyone know why the game was behind a paywall on ESPN+?  I’m accustomed to getting games for free on WatchESPN. I didn't bother to pay last night because I was comitted to finding the area of polygons and quadrilaterals with my 12 yo.

I did enjoy getting a text in the first inning from my HS buddy who is a proud OSU grad. It simply said “Dang.”

I believe ESPN is doing away with the WatchESPN model of their service for a premium paid service (ESPN+). So if you have a TV subscription with ESPN, you still have to pay extra for ESPN+. 

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theeagleman5

The camera angle on the play at the plate isn't the best but as a former baseball umpire of over 25 years...TheEagleman has no clue what the plate umpire was calling there....at first he appears to signal "safe" or " time out"....it's befuddling....he really has to make some kind of call there but have to agree with OT that I guess he was signaling catcher interference....looking at the play several times it doesn't appear to be interference at all...the catcher had the ball and made a bang bang play....OSU runner appeared to be easily out but again the angle wasn't the best...in the end, the umps got it right and that's what counts.....OSU not shaking hands is bullbleep....so they are trying to resurrect the Pete Incaviglia "tough guy" image???....not gonna happen...ORU has the Pokes' number...:eagles:..:-D

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Otis 83

Maybe OSU is trying to resurrect the Robin Ventura tough guy image. :stuck-out-tongue-winking:

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EagleManiac

Ok now that I’ve watched that play a few times, I am even more confused by the Umps reaction, and the half hour delay. It seems fairly straightforward. The throw very obviously beat the runner, and the slide was awkward, but didn’t seem malicious at all. And the waving of the arms and confusion... what  in the world? No wonder nobody in the stands had any idea what happened. 

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theeagleman5

Like I said...TheEagleman umpired baseball from Little League up to the college level for 25 years and I had no idea what he was signaling....by the way....Just took note that on Monday, Baseball America called OSU the "best team in the Sooner State" after they swept OU last weekend...I wonder if they will take note this week that the Pokes are 0-2 against ORU this season???......:rock:

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