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Have to admit it's a sexy hire; appears to be raising a few eyebrows nationally.

But, in terms of any short-range impact on the court, it's a non-starter:  everything about this guy's resume says he's a talent scout, not an X's and O's guy.

"Trust The Process!"  (...and hunker down for another season of "learning experiences" - LOL)

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Lol I was wondering how the haters would spin this... 

Cue the haters’ negative spin in three... two.... one.... 

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6 minutes ago, GoldenEagleFan said:

Lol I was wondering how the haters would spin this... 

Cue the haters’ negative spin in three... two.... one.... 

You're right:  losing two upper-class letterwinners to transfer, along with significant turnover within the assistant coaching staff, can only be viewed as positive developments.

I mean, this is what "winning" looks like, right??

I anticipate the resulting payoff in victories this season with great eagerness!

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Brought to you 100% free of any additional negativity, snarkiness, or general all-around grumpy-old-manishness!

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1 hour ago, theeagleman5 said:

Talvin who???....8)

Don't sleep on Hester.......Obanor and Weaver were both Houston area kids that were probably his recruits.  He probably also had a hand in  landing the high scoring JUCO out of South Central.

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I still think the arrow is pointed up for ORU hoops.  The stagnation of the last 5 or so years of the Sutton era is over.

Biggest recruiting goal of the coming season......convincing Eman to hang around after next season........i'm sure the P5 schools will come calling assuming he is on track to graduate after 3.5 yrs on campus.

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I love the hire of Springmann! Hester was an okay hire initially, but if I remember correctly, some on here said he was a castoff of Kelvin Sampson's staff? Meaning, he only came to ORU because he knew he wasn't going to be retained at Houston? Am I remembering right? Anyways, I always assumed Patterson was recruiting a lot of the Texas guys, but I don't know. Regardless, while I am sure that Hester is a great person and coach, Springmann seems like an upgrade in terms of perception by recruits. I mean, he worked for the same team that has Russell Westbrook and he recruited and coached Kevin Durant. The only question I have is when is he going to bring KD in for some workouts with the team? ;)

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22 minutes ago, ORUalum said:

Don't sleep on Hester.......Obanor and Weaver were both Houston area kids that were probably his recruits.  He probably also had a hand in  landing the high scoring JUCO out of South Central.

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I still think the arrow is pointed up for ORU hoops.  The stagnation of the last 5 or so years of the Sutton era is over.

Biggest recruiting goal of the coming season......convincing Eman to hang around after next season........i'm sure the P5 schools will come calling assuming he is on track to graduate after 3.5 yrs on campus.

I disagree. The number one goal is to not care what Eman does just in case he doesn't improve.  Every player should expect to earn PT and not have it bequeathed to them.

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8 hours ago, Old Titan said:

You're right:  losing two upper-class letterwinners to transfer, along with significant turnover within the assistant coaching staff, can only be viewed as positive developments.

I mean, this is what "winning" looks like, right??

I anticipate the resulting payoff in victories this season with great eagerness!

 I think I read that the only program to not have a player transfer in the last five years is UNC.... out of 351 programs!!

I believe the important part of roster management in Division 1 MBB is expecting some early departures (transfers and/or early entry NBA) and having replacements in your back pocket.

I am not concerned about transfers after year 1 of a new coaching staff. The inherited roster didn’t choose this staff, and this staff didn’t recruit the inherited roster. The fact that both Jontray and Javan earned their degree, therefore not affecting the APR, makes me even less concerned.

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On 5/11/2018 at 4:21 PM, ORUalum said:

Don't sleep on Hester.......Obanor and Weaver were both Houston area kids that were probably his recruits.  He probably also had a hand in  landing the high scoring JUCO out of South Central.

 

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On 5/11/2018 at 8:46 PM, GoldenEagleFan said:

 I believe the important part of roster management in Division 1 MBB is expecting some early departures (transfers and/or early entry NBA) and having replacements in your back pocket.

That's pretty funny.

I'm sure there are plenty of low-major programs around the country who have Division-1 starter-quality players "in their back pocket" just waiting for their chance to shine.

For the record:  if your low-major program loses two of its returning statistical leaders to transfer, you're doing it wrong.

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16 minutes ago, Old Titan said:

That's pretty funny.

I'm sure there are plenty of low-major programs around the country who have Division-1 starter-quality players "in their back pocket" just waiting for their chance to shine.

For the record:  if your low-major program loses two of its returning statistical leaders to transfer, you're doing it wrong.

Which is why Sutton was fired. Sutton ran the program completely into the ground.

It’s going to take more than one season to turn it around and Mills hasn’t even had a full recruiting class it yet.

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2 hours ago, Old Titan said:

That's pretty funny.

I'm sure there are plenty of low-major programs around the country who have Division-1 starter-quality players "in their back pocket" just waiting for their chance to shine.

For the record:  if your low-major program loses two of its returning statistical leaders to transfer, you're doing it wrong.

I can't agree with this. There are just too many factors that go into players deciding to transfer from low-majors. Sometimes, players get opportunities to move on to better programs, sometimes, they're unhappy, and yes, sometimes the coach is doing something wrong. However, I don't think that's the case here. There's too many positive developments around the program for me to believe that. Instead I see two transfers who were good players, but who had already graduated, move on to what they perceive as better situations. I don't think either of them transfer if they hadn't graduated, but props to them for getting it done. 

Additionally, I look around college basketball and just down the road OU had Jordan Shepherd, their presumed starting point guard next year, transfer. They also had some other good players like Kameron McGusty transfer. Some transfers just don't make sense. It doesn't mean Lon Kruger is doing anything wrong. In fact, one could say that he actually wanted some of those guys to transfer.

Either way, transfers are hardly a sign that you're doing something wrong in your program. There are many explanations for transfers in today's college basketball world. I think ORU Basketball is in good hands and I can't wait for next season! 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Cornelius said:

Which is why Sutton was fired. Sutton ran the program completely into the ground.

It’s going to take more than one season to turn it around and Mills hasn’t even had a full recruiting class it yet.

 

24 minutes ago, Idig32 said:

I can't agree with this. There are just too many factors that go into players deciding to transfer from low-majors. Sometimes, players get opportunities to move on to better programs, sometimes, they're unhappy, and yes, sometimes the coach is doing something wrong. However, I don't think that's the case here. There's too many positive developments around the program for me to believe that. Instead I see two transfers who were good players, but who had already graduated, move on to what they perceive as better situations. I don't think either of them transfer if they hadn't graduated, but props to them for getting it done. 

Additionally, I look around college basketball and just down the road OU had Jordan Shepherd, their presumed starting point guard next year, transfer. They also had some other good players like Kameron McGusty transfer. Some transfers just don't make sense. It doesn't mean Lon Kruger is doing anything wrong. In fact, one could say that he actually wanted some of those guys to transfer.

Either way, transfers are hardly a sign that you're doing something wrong in your program. There are many explanations for transfers in today's college basketball world. I think ORU Basketball is in good hands and I can't wait for next season! 

OU was a dumpster fire in the second half last season; ORU finished on a low note as well. 

Both teams looked like they had lost their identity in March, which kinda makes my point:  good players who feel they could be part of something special the next season don't typically leave programs on the upswing - at any level. 

And, while Power 5's can perhaps reload when they lose players unexpectedly, low-majors really can't, which makes keeping good returnees of paramount concern for schools like ORU.

Hey, I'm not saying this thing can't be turned around.  I'm just find it difficult to take positives out of player defections and coaching staff turnover, that's all.  And I'm frankly confused that the tea leaves read so oppositely for some others.

I guess we'll find out in the coming season(s)! :mountain-sunset::thumbs-up-2::clap-2: etc.

 

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35 minutes ago, Old Titan said:

And, while Power 5's can perhaps reload when they lose players unexpectedly, low-majors really can't, which makes keeping good returnees of paramount concern for schools like ORU.

I agree with this, Old Titan, to an extent. I think there are more players in the world that can come in and contribute right away at a mid to low major than at a high major. So it actually would be easier to have a player “in your back pocket” for this level rather than for a higher level, in my opinion. 

The other thing that you are failing to mention is these players that transferred, along with Coach Perry who moved along, did not choose Coach Mills when they chose ORU. No matter HOW the season went, I believe any rational fan or observer would understand having multiple players leave the year after a new coach took a job is not cause for concern.  Especially when the time the new coach took the job, it was basically too late in the year to transfer or look elsewhere. 

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15 minutes ago, GoldenEagleFan said:

I agree with this, Old Titan, to an extent. I think there are more players in the world that can come in and contribute right away at a mid to low major than at a high major. So it actually would be easier to have a player “in your back pocket” for this level rather than for a higher level, in my opinion.

Players on the bench at a low major may have less ground to make up when it comes to rising up their own team's depth chart, but that doesn't make them any more competitive once they face the opposition.

Big fish in a little pond is just fat bait if it gets washed into the lake.

 

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11 hours ago, Old Titan said:

good players who feel they could be part of something special the next season don't typically leave programs on the upswing - at any level.

This is true. I guess what I am thinking is that in ORU's situation -having a first year coach and two graduate transfer eligible players that were not recruited by said coach- one would expect to see transfers. We also got some transfers to come in to the program that look promising. The assistant coach turnover is similar. We had one holdover from the previous staff who left or was fired and we had one assistant who left for a higher level school. We replaced both assistants with seemingly great guys with great experience. 

It is interesting to see how different people perceive the same developments. I tend to be hopeful about the program, I have always been that way for no logical reason sometimes. So, here's hoping for a season that exceeds all our expectations!:eagles:

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It will be interesting to see. I have to agree with previous statements that the new hire seems to be primarily for recruiting. Especially when you consider the job of most NBA assistants is player development not game planning. You would be surprised how many coaches are on staff of an NBA team because of their best recruit from college wanting them around. The warriors, thunder, spurs, and rockets all have assistants who are there primarily because a 4 or 5 star caliber NBA player wants to continue working out with them. 

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I'm scratching my head about all the Power 5 and NBA references in this thread, like ORU should take heed.

ORU can't follow the models of Power 5 and NBA teams. 

It can't even follow the lead of (true) mid-majors like Wichita State, or Butler, or Gonzaga, who probably spend more on basketball recruiting than ORU's entire men's basketball budget.

It must follow the blueprints of scrappy programs like Oakland, or Stephen F. Austin, or Loyola of Chicago, where the coaching staff has to wear a lot of hats when it comes to teaching, recruiting, scheduling, promoting, fundraising, dealing with boosters, etc.

I'm not sure (successful) low-major programs can afford to have a coaching staff made up of "specialists"- literally, or figuratively.

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