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1 hour ago, Old Titan said:

I don't want to get too down on Austin; I just think (for whatever reason) the team plays more aggressively with RJ at the point as many minutes as possible.

Whether that's something special that RJ brings to the table, or it's the other guys simply playing harder because they like the tempo (or are just trying to keep up) is subject to debate.

The team just seems slower and more passive when RJ is not on the floor as much, and the results seem to bear that out.

I think you’re spot on. To be honest, I’ve always seen RJ as a decent back-up point guard option. Haven’t ever been too impressed with what he does. But looking back on the season, our team just seems to play better/be more efficient with him on the court. 

I was very impressed with him on Saturday night when he was in his boot and street clothes. He was very active on the bench, and several times I saw him in the middle of a time-out huddle giving directions and handing out assignments. 

I guess he’s just got those intangible basketball genes from the old man. 

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ORUalum

RJ can be a really good change of pace back up PG for ORU.

To take his game to the next level, the coaches have to work with him on a "floater / Mark Jackson Teardrop" so he can finish in the lane.  His success rate taking it to the rack has been pretty poor.  The tricks he used in HS don't work against most D1 athletes.

His FG% is actually lower than Ruder's --- 36%   (33% from 3)

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theeagleman5

Sounds like RJ has intangibles that Ruder doesn't.....hopefully not an issue next year as Milton becomes the starting PG and RJ is his back up....:eagles:

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ORU2017grad
On 2/15/2018 at 10:46 AM, GoldenEagleFan17 said:

The talent difference seems to be one of the most glaring issues as I watch us play other teams.  Quite frankly, we just have less talent than other teams.  Recruiting will be the key to change the course of this program over the next couple of years.   

We also have a first year coach that is learning to be a head coach.  It's much different than being an assistant.  He's a wonderful man and I believe he'll right this ship.

I was at all the Dakota home games the last couple weeks.  One thing I keep saying is why does every team we play have shooters and we don't?  North Dakota St had a bunch of scrawny white guys who could stroke it and definitely did not meet the eyeball test.  They looked like a Junior high team compared to ORU.  Also why does Mills continue to zone far superior shooting teams when we have far superior athletes?  Not a smart decision in my books.  He acts like he has Baylor athletes and refuses to adapt his game plan to his talent.  

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TrueBlue82
On 2/15/2018 at 8:44 AM, Old Titan said:

Gotta call it like I see it:  this team was never the same after Ruder returned and cut into RJ Fuqua's minutes.

Not that I think RJ is the answer; but I have to wonder if it affected the vibe off the court as much (more?) than it did on it.

Messing with chemistry can be a volatile undertaking, in a laboratory or in a locker room.  One mistake while mixing the components, and it can blow up in your face.

The team that beat Missouri State and won at UALR and FGCU was tough and resilient.

This team is not.

Horrible, horrible finish to the season.  Barring some sort of miracle in Sioux Falls (and I would consider winning one game a miracle at this point), there needs to be some SERIOUS soul-searching all up and down the bench in the off-season (including the guys in the sport coats).

I like Austin Ruder a lot - and am certainly glad to have him here for this year.  Sometimes stats are unfair - and don't truly represent the facts.  However, In light of this conversation, I think this is relevant.

So far, Austin has played in 19 games for ORU this season.  In those games, ORU was 3-0 against non-D1 opponents and 1-15 against D-1 competition.  And the one D-1 win was on his last-second buzzer beater ESPN SCTop10 play.

In the ten games that Austin was injured, ORU was 0-1 against non-D1 opponents and 6-3 against D-1.

 

 

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On 2/16/2018 at 7:59 AM, ORUHOCKEY said:
Hopefully they can get beat Omaha on the road and move into the 6th seed and get Ft Wayne or Denver in the Conference Tournament.  

Call me crazy (as many have), but I actually think ORU's best option avaiable in the Summit tourney is as the 7 seed.  If we are the 6 or 5, we have a better chance at an opening round win, but then would (likely) have to play the #1 or #2 the next night while they are fresh from a day of rest.  Very poor odds for ORU in that game.

I think our better route is to take on the #2 (either USD or SDSU), and hope that they have first round jitters and that the crowd doesn't show up as they are expecting an easy win.  It's a long shot. but we have a better chance in this opening round game than in the second round scenario above.  And, if we DO win the opening round, then WE get the day of rest, and have a better chance for a second round upset.

Of course, this is all moot unless the team from late December/early January surfaces again... 

 

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theeagleman5

You ARE crazy.....:blink:

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Old Titan
2 hours ago, TrueBlue82 said:

Call me crazy (as many have), but I actually think ORU's best option avaiable in the Summit tourney is as the 7 seed.  If we are the 6 or 5, we have a better chance at an opening round win, but then would (likely) have to play the #1 or #2 the next night while they are fresh from a day of rest.  Very poor odds for ORU in that game.

I think our better route is to take on the #2 (either USD or SDSU), and hope that they have first round jitters and that the crowd doesn't show up as they are expecting an easy win.  It's a long shot. but we have a better chance in this opening round game than in the second round scenario above.  And, if we DO win the opening round, then WE get the day of rest, and have a better chance for a second round upset.

Of course, this is all moot unless the team from late December/early January surfaces again... 

 

You're not crazy, but the whole thing is just sad.

I hate that we've had to resort to this sort of "for-a-fat-girl-she-doesn't-sweat-much" rationalization at the end of recent seasons, instead of discussing possible first-round byes or what regional ORU might be assigned to. :doh:

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Right now, Austin Ruder is a better player than RJ plain and simple.  RJ is a freshman and still has a lot to learn to improve his game, and I believe he will continue to improve.  RJ has an awesome attitude and he committed to ORU when we did NOT even have a head coach.  He will always be a favorite in my book for committing to ORU during the week following Scott Sutton's release when the local sports media had temporarily lost their minds.

But, I have watched RJ multiple plays in a row drive into a crowd of taller players and either turn the ball over or take an ill-advised shot.  At times when he is not driving into a crowd, he sometimes dribbles the ball around the perimeter for 15 seconds without making a pass or really doing much of anything.  He needs good coaching to help him understand how to be a great PG.  I hope this coaching staff is capable of providing the coaching necessary to help him reach his potential, because it seems that he still has a lot to learn about playing the PG position at the D-1 level.

I really like RJs quickness and his ability to get steals, and he is a decent 3-point shooter, but right now Austin Ruder is a more well rounded player and is definitely the best 3-point shooter on the team.  Austin consistently makes good decisions and doesn't recklessly drive into a crowd.  

The one mistake Austin made this year at the end of the Oakland game cost us a win when he did not take a timeout when he was double teamed with about 15 seconds left.  Coach Mills even said after the game that he had told the players at the previous timeout that we have one timeout left and they should use it if they get in trouble.  That is why I was so glad when Austin was able to hit the game winning shot a couple weeks ago because it helped him to make up for that earlier mistake.

I am not interested in pitting RJ vs. Austin because I really like both of these players along with Kearns.  I wish we had Ruder for another year.  It makes such a difference to have a player who can consistently knock down 3-pointers.  It would certainly help RJs game if he was a few inches taller, but I feel he has a lot of potential and will continue to develop into a nice guard over the next few years.

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TrueBlue82
9 hours ago, Old Titan said:

You're not crazy, but the whole thing is just sad.

I hate that we've had to resort to this sort of "for-a-fat-girl-she-doesn't-sweat-much" rationalization at the end of recent seasons, instead of discussing possible first-round byes or what regional ORU might be assigned to. :doh:

Completely agree.  However, it's a rebuilding process - and at least we're talking about a seed in the Summit tourney this year after last year's debacle.  I'm hoping that next year will bring conversations of a Upper Division finish, and then from that point on we become a consistent contender/bubble watch participant as we and the Summit both improve.  You gotta start somewhere!

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Old Titan
1 hour ago, ORUJason said:

Right now, Austin Ruder is a better player than RJ plain and simple.  RJ is a freshman and still has a lot to learn to improve his game, and I believe he will continue to improve.  RJ has an awesome attitude and he committed to ORU when we did NOT even have a head coach.  He will always be a favorite in my book for committing to ORU during the week following Scott Sutton's release when the local sports media had temporarily lost their minds.

But, I have watched RJ multiple plays in a row drive into a crowd of taller players and either turn the ball over or take an ill-advised shot.  At times when he is not driving into a crowd, he sometimes dribbles the ball around the perimeter for 15 seconds without making a pass or really doing much of anything.  He needs good coaching to help him understand how to be a great PG.  I hope this coaching staff is capable of providing the coaching necessary to help him reach his potential, because it seems that he still has a lot to learn about playing the PG position at the D-1 level.

I really like RJs quickness and his ability to get steals, and he is a decent 3-point shooter, but right now Austin Ruder is a more well rounded player and is definitely the best 3-point shooter on the team.  Austin consistently makes good decisions and doesn't recklessly drive into a crowd.  

The one mistake Austin made this year at the end of the Oakland game cost us a win when he did not take a timeout when he was double teamed with about 15 seconds left.  Coach Mills even said after the game that he had told the players at the previous timeout that we have one timeout left and they should use it if they get in trouble.  That is why I was so glad when Austin was able to hit the game winning shot a couple weeks ago because it helped him to make up for that earlier mistake.

I am not interested in pitting RJ vs. Austin because I really like both of these players along with Kearns.  I wish we had Ruder for another year.  It makes such a difference to have a player who can consistently knock down 3-pointers.  It would certainly help RJs game if he was a few inches taller, but I feel he has a lot of potential and will continue to develop into a nice guard over the next few years.

Everything you said may very well be true. 

But none of it seems to explain the point I was trying to make:  why the TEAM appears to play better (and with better results) when RJ is on the floor at the point.

Again, I go back to chemistry, and the old “the whole equaling more than the sum of the parts” cliche. 

Its like Andre Roberson for the OKC Thunder. In terms of individual stats, he’s a hot mess, but the team just performs better with him in the lineup. 

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ORUalum
14 hours ago, Old Titan said:

 

I hate that we've had to resort to this sort of "for-a-fat-girl-she-doesn't-sweat-much" rationalization at the end of recent seasons, instead of discussing possible first-round byes or what regional ORU might be assigned to. :doh:

I liked what Bontrager said on one of the recent game broadcasts.  He said he was talking to one of the players about where the team was at and their reply was "we are just trying to get ready for the league tournament."

Bontrager then said to Big Al --- teams that are playing to try and get ready for the tournament never do anything in the tournament.

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I love having Bontrager's honesty back on the game telecast......hope he is back next year with whoever replaces Big Al.

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On 2/18/2018 at 9:33 AM, Old Titan said:

Everything you said may very well be true. 

But none of it seems to explain the point I was trying to make:  why the TEAM appears to play better (and with better results) when RJ is on the floor at the point.

Again, I go back to chemistry, and the old “the whole equaling more than the sum of the parts” cliche. 

Its like Andre Roberson for the OKC Thunder. In terms of individual stats, he’s a hot mess, but the team just performs better with him in the lineup. 

The difference is Andre Roberson is 6'7" and an all NBA Defender while rarely attempting more than 4 shots a game... RJ is doing exactly whats expected of a freshman.. up and down but showing signs of potential. 

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Things have just totally fallen apart on the defensive end. In those first 3 Summit games, opponent FG% was .389, in the eight losses since it was a whopping .526.

I think we saw the wheels fall off in real time during the game in Fargo. I actually think ORU played decent defense on the perimeter, but it seems like all of the Bison points were scored off fadeaway 3's with under 5 seconds on the shot clock. Then they have to go back to South Dakota 3 days later and that was that. The zone was busted.

The team played well with Ruder in the last two games in Malibu and most of the game at K-State. There are just too many issues that still need to be addressed.

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On February 17, 2018 at 8:58 PM, TrueBlue82 said:

Call me crazy (as many have), but I actually think ORU's best option avaiable in the Summit tourney is as the 7 seed.  If we are the 6 or 5, we have a better chance at an opening round win, but then would (likely) have to play the #1 or #2 the next night while they are fresh from a day of rest.  Very poor odds for ORU in that game.

I think our better route is to take on the #2 (either USD or SDSU), and hope that they have first round jitters and that the crowd doesn't show up as they are expecting an easy win.  It's a long shot. but we have a better chance in this opening round game than in the second round scenario above.  And, if we DO win the opening round, then WE get the day of rest, and have a better chance for a second round upset.

Of course, this is all moot unless the team from late December/early January surfaces again... 

 

I think the crowd will be there in full force on Saturday.  

Game #1- USD's women

Game #2-  SDSU's women vs. either NDSU or Omaha's women.

Game #3- Either USD or SDSU's men

Game #4- Either USD  or SDSU's men vs. possibly NDSU or Omaha's men if ORU isn't the 7 seed.

All of those game shouldn't be close but there will be a South Dakota team in every game. If SDSU's women's game goes long (2:30-4:30) and some of the fans leave to eat, they might not be back in time for the first mens game(6PM) if SDSU is in it though.  

Omaha is about 3 hours from Sioux Falls and NDSU is only about 4 hours from Sioux Falls so six of the eight teams that are within about a 4 hour drive will probably play on Saturday.  Omaha and NDSU don't really follow their teams really well early in the tournament though (of course that always depends on how your team is doing)!

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theeagleman5

:mellow::blink:<_<

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Old Titan

What's the over/under on how many downtown Sioux Falls eateries run out of chislic and kolaches by midnight Saturday? :-P

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