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WingMaaaan
3 hours ago, Old Titan said:

I must disagree - even when I worked in the Athletic Department, I never said "we" when it came to the achievements of the various teams for which I worked.

The players and coaches put in the time and effort.  I got PAID for my time; and fans get entertained - and certain perks - for what they spend and/or donate with the program.

Which means, when the team does well, that supporters get first crack at decent NCAA seats. 

It doesn't mean you get a ring...

You can disagree and you can be wrong. Says my opinion... :sunglasses:

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91jack
On 12/1/2017 at 2:34 PM, UNDfan said:

NDSU wanted to get a head start on DI before UND got wind in its sails.  A 13000 marble floored leather cushion seat arena with better than pro arena acoutements  and a new domed stadium for football tends to get rivals worried.  NDSU wanted badly to get out and they needed a partner, so SDSU followed as the always do.  UND needed to make sure that that new arena would sell out for hockey, which us has done ever since.  When it decided to go DI, the Big Sky was waiting with open arms, something the that didn't happen to the XDSU's.  Quite confident that logic has never been laid out to you, as your board make it a point to detest hockey and anything UXD.

It sounds like NDSU and SDSU went on a leap pf faith and UND waited and took a wait and see approach.  It seems like it worked out for all involved.

I think the Big Sky realized that they screwed up by not taking NDSU and SDSU and didn't want to screw up again so that is why the took UND.

Here are some quotes from a Argus Leader (Sioux Falls main paper) from June 22nd, 2006.

SDSU could feel heat

When SDSU and NDSU began NCAA Division I competition in 2004 - citing the number of smaller, less prestigious schools moving into Division II - it drastically altered the state of college athletics in the Upper Midwest.

It also was perhaps the biggest trigger for UND to move its other 18 sports into D-I with its men's and women's hockey teams.

"You could almost predict what was going to happen," said Fred Oien, SDSU's athletic director. "We were looking at what was happening in Division II, and it didn't fit what South Dakota State wanted, and the same with North Dakota State and North Dakota."

UND, which plans to begin the five-year transition process mandated by the NCAA in the 2007-08 school year, will not be eligible for Division I postseason play in sports other than hockey until 2012-13. Most of NDSU and SDSU's teams will be eligible in 2008-09, with the volleyball and wrestling squads able to compete for the D-I postseason this fall.

SDSU and NDSU continue to package themselves as a partner deal for prospective conferences, but a renewed UND-NDSU partnership could put the Jackrabbits in a tough situation.
 


Another option involves NCC schools making the Division I leap as a group - a proposal discussed since the early days of SDSU's investigative process.

Gross said one of the drawbacks is that if the entire league moves to Division I, it would take 13 years before the NCAA would even consider granting it an automatic berth to the financially lucrative men's basketball tournament. It might not even grant that request.
 

Sorry about bringing this to your board but it is an article from back in the day.

Gross was Augie's AD in Sioux Falls, SD.

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UNDfan

Going to predict ORU goes to the  WAC soon.

Sam Houston St, SF Austin, Lamar, Cal Poly, Sac St, UC Davis will also join.

Seattle and UVU will get in The Big Sky.

Chicago St wi'll not be renewed by the WAC.

The Montanas, Idaho and EWU will join the Summit.

IPFW and W I'll will leave the Summit too.

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Old Titan

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ORU82

Thanks OT, I could not agree more.

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ManiacAlum

If you're scoring at home:

The new 13-team WAC superconference-

ORU, UC Davis, Sacramento State, Cal Poly, Grand Canyon University, New Mexico State, UTRGV, Incarnate Word, Sam Houston, SFA, UMKC, Chicago St, Cal Baptist. (Seattle was going to stay before UND granted them entry into the new Summit FBS money conference).

Wichita State, a school which has not fielded a football team since 1985, will create one to join the Summit before eventually moving to the Big 12.

Oklahoma, Texas and for some reason Kansas are leaving the Big 12 together to go...somewhere.

Alabama is building their hockey program to keep fans around for when Nick Saban retires.

 

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UNDfan

You guys seem to be oblivious to smart conference changes.  ORU  needs a conference that will cause it gain enrollment or at least increase appliacations, which the current Summit doesn t.   GCU, Cal Baptist and Incarnate Word all are Christian based schools.  That conference would be a dream come true for ORU admin.

Chicago St will not be renewed after this year.  Both Wichita St and Missouri St will probably join for FBS only.

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Old Titan
22 hours ago, ORU82 said:

Thanks OT, I could not agree more.

Love it when some dude with Cheeto-stained fingers in his mom's basement throws together multi-conference realignments like he's playing the NCAA version of the old board game "Risk".

No doubt he also has plans for a 32-team college football playoff and affordable universal health care.

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ORUParentLurker

I still think the MVC is the ideal fit and easiest fit for ORU.   A major realignment that would create a new WAC seems to make sense on paper but that's a lot of moving parts and hence less likely.

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Old Titan
On 1/2/2018 at 11:01 AM, ORUParentLurker said:

I still think the MVC is the ideal fit and easiest fit for ORU.   A major realignment that would create a new WAC seems to make sense on paper but that's a lot of moving parts and hence less likely.

ORU simply can't afford to compete in the Valley:  the MVC staggers home-and-away games, making for a lot of single-game trips, many of which are air charters. 

If ORU's season ticket sales were in the 5K-to-7K range and provided some revenue, maybe it's another story, but right now (and in the foreseeable future) this program is simply a loss-leader promotional venture for the university, and belongs right where it is in the Summit League.

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ORUParentLurker
On 1/5/2018 at 2:28 PM, Old Titan said:

ORU simply can't afford to compete in the Valley:  the MVC staggers home-and-away games, making for a lot of single-game trips, many of which are air charters. 

If ORU's season ticket sales were in the 5K-to-7K range and provided some revenue, maybe it's another story, but right now (and in the foreseeable future) this program is simply a loss-leader promotional venture for the university, and belongs right where it is in the Summit League.

Well, the motivation of bringing in ORU is partially to allow the scheduling to change.  It give Missouri State a travel partner to set up two game trips for the other schools.  I have to believe every school is interested in reducing travel cost.  The MVC is more likely to have a TV deal as well and that would bring in revenue.

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Old Titan
8 minutes ago, ORUParentLurker said:

Well, the motivation of bringing in ORU is partially to allow the scheduling to change.  It give Missouri State a travel partner to set up two game trips for the other schools.  I have to believe every school is interested in reducing travel cost.  The MVC is more likely to have a TV deal as well and that would bring in revenue.

...but not enough revenue to cover the expenses for all the non-revenue sports to compete/travel in the Valley.

I was actually fortunate enough to be "in the room" a few years back when ORU was assembling its presentation for Valley consideration (following Creighton's departure for the Big East).  The factor I mentioned was one of the main concerns from ORU's standpoint.

As it turned out, ORU's concern of being able to afford the move was moot:  the Valley presidents (who look at things from a non-competitive - and somewhat bizarre - perspective) chose Loyola of Chicago as the replacement, solely because of the enrollment potential of the Chicago metro area for all Valley schools.

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