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[Bad Blood]

Almost every Summit League opponent requires a plane trip, and mid-major schools rarely fly for non-guarantee games.

[oruvoice]

Old Titan, on 06 February 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

Former conference schools I would like to see us play:

1. UMKC
2. Oakland
3. IUPUI, but only if return game is played at Conseco or some place other than The Jungle.
4. Valpo

Former conference schools I do NOT think we should play:

1. South Dakota State
2. North Dakota State
3. Western Illinois
4. IPFW
5. Southern Utah
6. South Dakota
7. Chicago State

We have to be VERY careful in the next few years about scheduling RPI: we could go undefeated in the Southland and STILL get a #16 seed, due to the current weakness of the league.

We should only schedule non-conference schools that we feel confident will be either really good, OR who also play a good schedule themselves, ensuring they have a decent RPI.

Basically, the same thing Rob Walton has had to do for several years playing baseball in the Mid-Con/Summit League.

Not interested in Oakland, IUPUI, or Valpo.

Maybe UMKC because of the proximity and recruiting the KC area has been so good to us.

[tmh8286]

oruvoice, on 06 February 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Not interested in Oakland, IUPUI, or Valpo.

Maybe UMKC because of the proximity and recruiting the KC area has been so good to us.

Surprised at your rejection of Oakland, voice. They're a fan favorite, and ever since Valpo left we've had a nice rivalry going with them.

Curious what your thinking is.

[ORUTerry]

Oakland would be a nice opponent to keep on the schedule - but that is a long way to go for a non-guarantee game. Might make sense if we could get a game with either Michigan or Michigan State and then play Oakland a couple of days later. We need to establish games with good programs in the area: Wichita State, Missouri State, etc. - and even Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Arkansas. ORU will be playing a lot in Texas in the future given the makeup of the Southland Conference - let's hope SMU, TCU and other schools in the DFW area will schedule us. I am not holding my breath though.

[Bad Blood]

tmh8286, on 06 February 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Surprised at your rejection of Oakland, voice. They're a fan favorite, and ever since Valpo left we've had a nice rivalry going with them.

Curious what your thinking is.

If I had to guess, it's this:

Bad Blood said:

Almost every Summit League opponent requires a plane trip, and mid-major schools rarely fly for non-guarantee games.

[Old Titan]

I think ORU flies for non-conference home-and-home games that are further away, with New Mexico, Lamar, Indiana State and Texas Tech as recent possible examples. None of those contests were guarantee games; they were all home-and-home contracts.

Not sure if ORU flew to the Missouri return game in Columbia; but maybe not: it's pointless for some games to mess with the delays and discomforts of air travel when you can get there in roughly the same time (and more comfortably) by bus.

ORU doesn't schedule many dates far enough away from Tulsa to justify air travel that AREN'T guarantee games.

If we did have more home-and-home deals with mid-majors like Oakland and Valpo, I think we would fly to them.

[tmh8286]

Bad Blood, on 06 February 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

If I had to guess, it's this:

Bad Blood said:

Almost every Summit League opponent requires a plane trip, and mid-major schools rarely fly for non-guarantee games.

From a practical standpoint, you're absolutely right, bad blood. But he said "not interested", which to me has a more personal connotation.

My guess is, based precisely on your point, we probably won't play any of our old conference-mates, with the possible exception of UMKC - but there has been "bad blood" there almost from the start. I'd be surprised if we played them again any time soon after this year.

[Bill Sullivan]

Old Titan, on 06 February 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I think ORU flies for non-conference home-and-home games that are further away, with New Mexico, Lamar, Indiana State and Texas Tech as recent possible examples. None of those contests were guarantee games; they were all home-and-home contracts.

Not sure if ORU flew to the Missouri return game in Columbia; but maybe not: it's pointless for some games to mess with the delays and discomforts of air travel when you can get there in roughly the same time (and more comfortably) by bus.

ORU doesn't schedule many dates far enough away from Tulsa to justify air travel that AREN'T guarantee games.

If we did have more home-and-home deals with mid-majors like Oakland and Valpo, I think we would fly to them.

I didn't realize you guys had home and homes with the likes of New Mexico, Indiana State, and Texas Tech (and it sounds like others of that caliber). Offers a little perspective.

I think that in the future, our RPI will be respectable enough to warrant a home/home. The best home/home we have had so far have been with UNI (football ties?) and Nevada, which seem to be the same sorts of programs as ORU. If we could do it with those schools, I would hope we could attempt it with ORU. Probably wishful thinking from the sounds of it.

Anyway, count me as one Jackrabbit fan that would like to continue the series in some capacity. I would much rather play you guys than Marist. I will let this thread die now, sorry to keep it going for so long, I just love talking sports with other fans.

[Old Titan]

I can't see us playing games in hard-to-get-to places like North and South Dakota if we don't have to.

If that sort of scheduling was palatable, why would we be leaving the Summit League in the first place?

[oruvoice]

ORUTerry, on 06 February 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Oakland would be a nice opponent to keep on the schedule - but that is a long way to go for a non-guarantee game. Might make sense if we could get a game with either Michigan or Michigan State and then play Oakland a couple of days later. We need to establish games with good programs in the area: Wichita State, Missouri State, etc. - and even Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Arkansas. ORU will be playing a lot in Texas in the future given the makeup of the Southland Conference - let's hope SMU, TCU and other schools in the DFW area will schedule us. I am not holding my breath though.

tmh...ORUTerry answered your question, to me.

Start scheduling attempts regionally. If we can't fill a schedule from the Southwest/Lower Midwest, then Oakland would be a possibility.

[tmh8286]

oruvoice, on 07 February 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

tmh...ORUTerry answered your question, to me.

Start scheduling attempts regionally. If we can't fill a schedule from the Southwest/Lower Midwest, then Oakland would be a possibility.

Got it!

[Jacks02]

Probably not going to change any opinions anymore but I thought I'd share a story from the SDSU beat write about Griffan Callahan that's in today's paper. There's a short discussion on the hard foul to end the game a few weeks ago in Brookings.


Callahan like a rock for SDSU

http://www.arguslead...ell|text|Home|s

[tmh8286]

Water under the bridge, man. We've moved on. It was the attitude, more than the foul itself, that caused our response. Doesn't sound like that's changed.

[ORUalum]

somebody lock this thread before Eagleman and OT read about these guys bragging about sending Rod to the floor in Brookings. Jacks 02, you just had to come here and pick at that scab...thanks.