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[ORUalum]

TU should keep their football team in the new MWC/C-USA and move all other sports back to the Missouri Valley.

[theeagleman5]

Temple definitely wants back in the Big East....and they should be....their basketball and football teams are both very good....and a heck of a lot better than Nova....problem is...yeah, Nova thinks they are "all that" and more....TheEagleman detests that University and their uppity attitude.....

[theeagleman5]

Getting back on topic......TU got rolled tonight at UTEP....they stink.....hey basplayer....you need to get some tickets to ORU-WIU on Saturday night and forget about the Golden Hurricane.......

[BasPlayr]

LOL, @ theeagleman5
Sorry I haven't been around here much. I am in the middle of a "project" at work, and it is taking up some of my extra time. It's even cause me to cut back some on the TU boards.(yikes) It also means that I may not make another ORU game this season, and I was really hoping to catch one of the last two games.

Hopefully, you guys will host a post season game that I can attend.

ORUAlum - I, and about 20% of the TU faithful would love to see that happen.

[BasPlayr]

ORUJason, on 08 February 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

I've heard that too. But with as fluid and unpredictable as things are right now, I'm not sure Villanova brings enough to the table (doesn't even have D-1 football) to remain on their high horse. I'm not saying that Temple will be added either. In fact, they probably won't. But would C-USA football be better than playing in the MAC for football?

When the dust settles on this potential merger, there might be one less automatic bid for basketball (and other sports) and therefore one more at-large bid to go around.

Let's not kid each other. the Big East is a Basketball conference first and foremost. They will cater to the Basketball schools every whim.
I believe the only reason they are trying to form this super conference is because of what lies down the road in reference with the NCAA.
a) they need to protect their BCS status to keep the big bucks coming in
If the NCAA does reorganize, they could have enough swag to be able to ensure their members get included in the new D1, or upper tier classification

[ORUalum]

A couple of interesting aricles in the TW today propping up Wojcik. Especially curious coming on the heels of the second game he has cost his team this season because he refused to foul up 3 with a few seconds left in the game.

While reading the Wojcik "signature wins" article, I actually felt sorry for TU fans for a second.

[bballmangc]

No one ever fouls up 3 with seconds to go. It's talked about all the time, but I haven't seen it done successfully yet, anyone seen a time that it has been done? Seriously we always talk about it but I can't remember anyone doing it.

[ORUalum]

if it wasn't before, i think it is pretty much coaching 101 since Memphis failed to foul Mario Chalmers in the national championship game.

[tmh8286]

Have to disagree, bballmangc - I've seen it done several times, including by ORU, and seen it work. As you say, though, lots of talk about it, but conditions have to be just right to impliment. Scott Sutton has said he will do it, but only under the following set of conditions - up by three, less than six seconds (probably want even less than that) and the opponent has the ball. Just not that many games where those conditions apply.

I've thought many times about that strategy, and what's the best thing to do in that situation. If the opponent makes the first, misses on purpose with the second and gets fouled on the rebound they can tie the game, or with a rebound and putback tie the game, or rebound and kickout for a three win the game. It's just a matter of where you want to take your chances - either way there are no guarantees - a trey to tie without a foul, or with a foul and fight it out under the basket. There's probably a higher probability of winning outright with the foul.

[BasPlayr]

Agree with you tmh, My little group of buddies at TU have had this discussions since the MoState game where the same thing happened. And then there is the game where TU allowed the opponent to weave his way up court for an uncontested shot. UGH!!!

I see a couple of ways to play it when there is little time(6.1sec) left on the clock.

a ) IF you are going to foul, foul on the inbound pass as soon as the player touches the ball. Do not give him time to set up a shot at the basket.
This means you force the opponent into multiple plans. Make the first, miss the second and make certain you get the rebound.
Then he also has to put it back up to tie, or kick it out to try to win. This put the odds into your favor as multiple things have to happen to
the game.

b ) Put pressure on the ball at inbounds and don't allow your defenders to sink in past the 3 arc to protect against the three. A pressured three
is harder to hit than an open one, so let them dirve thru the lane if they want.
If they make it, the thing you do not want to do is foul on a their shot.

Neither of these things was done by Wojcik, and the frustrating part is that you took a time out to set a strategy, that didn't work.
Worse yet, you allowed your opponent more time to plan against the players you were putting in.

[tmh8286]

I see six seconds as an absolute maximum. Any more than that and you leave too much time for the opponent to miss, rebound and set up, miss and call a TO, OR miss, let us rebound, foul immediately, then let us shoot free throws and then the opponent get another possession. I'm very keen in that situation for us purposely missing the second free throw and hoping that in the ensuing scrum that time runs out and the opponent doesn't have time for another shot. Domo did that very thing this season at the end of a game - don't remember which one, though.

Recently at an ORU home game ORU was up by three with 15-20 seconds left, and a buddy sitting with me was yelling "FOUL THEM! FOUL THEM!" And when it didn't happen he said, "I wonder why they didn't foul." Concept right, timing wrong. Timing is imperative with the strategy, and really, the less the better. The more time left, the more options for the opponent.

I think a team needs to be well-versed in the options in a situation like this, for when it arises. It's pretty difficult to try to work through the options and which one is desired given the situation in the heat of a close game.

[tmh8286]

It's kind of amazing all that can happen in the final half-a-dozen seconds, or even less, in a basketball game.